Originally Posted by farmpony84
...so.... what about circumsitions or however you spell it? I mean... people circumsize boys.....for cleanliness..... cruel?
No, I don't think it's cruel at all. Both of my boys were done. It's certainly not a fun thing and I'm not happy that it was done. It's like having your kids shots done. You don't like it because it hurts them. But you know it's for their health. I think it could be done more humanely. But I had a BIL many years ago that wasn't circumsized and he wound up with a very serious infection. Because he'd not been 'snipped' it was very difficult to get rid of. It wound up coming back a few times and they finally decided for health reasons he had to be cicumsized at 23 years old. Apparently a married man that has to be cicumsized at 23 is in waaaayyyyyy more pain than a baby. Not going into detail, too many kids here I suspect. But believe me things change as a man that make having that area cut horribly painful.
As for dogs, working dogs specifically, with the ear cropping. You have to realize many are hunting dogs. Having big ears hanging down gives the animals they are chasing something to grab ahold of and mutilate. That's much worse than having them clipped while they're still very tiny. Again, I think it's brutally painful and could be done in a much more humane way. I'll never forget my mother taking me to the vet to have our dobies tails docked at a day old. Even if the nerves haven't completely grown in, they still feel the pain. I'll never forget them howling in pain when they just cut it off with big scissors. No pain meds, nothing. I almost yacked and wound up in the waiting room in tears.
I refused to go when the did the ears.