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post #21 of 75 Old 04-23-2013, 08:42 AM
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I have two rescue setters. One is completely scatty around strangers, particularly men, but is well trained. My own boy is lovely.. if not on the dense side (very honest, he isn't bright) but the friendliest dog you will ever meet.

I keep my dogs on the lead at all times whilst walking due to laws and regulations in Germany. However, a lot of people don't. I always shout ahead to people to put their dogs on the lead as mine are... recently my hound, Rufus, has been snarling and snapping at other dogs that come too close. He is snipped, and has been for over a year.

Never bitten another dog, but it is very loud, aggressive barking and I don't want it to go further! They bark in the house, and due to the walls being paper thin in a semi detatched, they have spray collars which work wonders, and they no longer bark. But he'll bark straight through that if another dog gets too close.
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post #22 of 75 Old 04-23-2013, 08:51 AM
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Just to add to the pitbull debate - any dog can be fiercely aggressive , the only difference between a pitbull and a chihuahua is they are anatomically much much different. A pitbulls jaw is designed to grab hold and stay attached, that is why when they do attack they do so much damage. Hence why it is so important to keep a pitbull level headed and well trained.

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Physically, the anatomy of a Pit Bull's jaw is conducive to fighting- its jaw can exert more energy/pounds per square inch of pressure than most other dogs of comparable size. Some people out there say Pit Bulls "feel no pain." Some say its jaw has a locking mechanism and can exert 2000 lbs of pressure. For the most part, these myths remain
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post #23 of 75 Old 04-23-2013, 09:18 AM
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Just to add:

I have nothing against pitbulls - in fact when I did my studies at university and clinical work I would have rather dealt with a pitbull than some other breeds. They are a breed that requires strong leadership and a sensitive owner.
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post #24 of 75 Old 04-23-2013, 09:21 AM
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Everyone that owns a pitbull that attacks a person or kills otherdogs says the same old tired broken record thing, Ohhhh he was soooo nice yadda yadda. Pit bulls are ticking time bombs. Can make all the excuses you want for them and I dotn care how many people say they know that arnt agressive, well umm the ticking hasnt gone off yet. These dogs were specifically bred to fight and kill, its in their body structure and it is in their brain. Excpecting a pitbull not to act that way is like expecting a beagle not to chase a rabbit. They have been selectively bred generation after generation to exhibit certain traits. Any one surprised when they exhibit those traits is a fool.

I really dont get people, people accept herd dogs and will tell you they need work, its in their breeding to herd so cooped up doesnt work,
People expect Pyranese to be territorial and guard their flock and anything they see as their domain,
People expect a hounds nose to be so overwelming that it will over ride training and they wont come back off a hot trail right away.

But OMG lets get all in a tizzy when someone suggests that pitbulls act a certain way because of their breed.
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post #25 of 75 Old 04-23-2013, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
I don't know if you have seen him but oh shoot whats his name "the dog wisperer" I have seen a few of she shows and I really like him I would look at what he is able to do with dogs.
His name is Cesar Millan, and I too would recommend looking into his books/dvd's if nothing else but to educate yourself a little more.
Here is another website that you might be interested in,


They deal with all sorts of different things including transforming rescues, being the pack leader etc.

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post #26 of 75 Old 04-23-2013, 10:07 AM
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I went through the dog obedience at Pet Msart wih my dog. She did great and had a lot of fun.

My big dog is an American Bulldog/Pitbull mix. He also has aggression issues at times but its how he was raised (not by us. We got him when he was 2.) he's a coward with us though and will subbie pee if either of us yells at him. God help you if you walk into our house uninvited though.

That being said, to introduce him to another person, we put him on leash and take him OUTSIDE of the house, let him do his business and sniff around and get happy. We then let him meet the new person with us, then we all go inside and be gets a bone. He will watch the person and definitely intervene if be thought there was a problem but otherwise he lays on his bed. Haven't found something to introduce him to other animals though. Tried some and it didn't work so was t worth the risk.
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Generally speaking WSA, I agree with you, but just as in horses, breeding does influence behavior and tendencies. That's the point of selective breeding. How they're raised, early socialization and training are certainly HUGE factors, but breeding does have its effect as well, dogs or horses. This pup's breeding is a huge question mark, but we know some lines of pitties are bred specifically to be aggressive towards other dogs. This girl may or may not be out of those lines, but it's worth considering that the battle to keep this dog dog-safe/friendly may be harder and take more work if the deck is stacked against her in this regard.

And just as a disclaimer- I have GSDs, another maligned breed, work in rescue, and happen to have a soft spot for bully breeds, so I'm not trying to be harsh or negative at all, just practical. Not all dogs are going to end up loving other dogs and being 100% trustworthy with other dogs or small animals. Far too soon to tell with this girl yet though. :)
Great post!

"Pit bulls" were created to fight in the "pit" against other dogs and many "pit bulls" are still bred to be dog aggressive. Keep in mind that "pit" fighting has not been illegal long and watering down a breed's instincts to do what it was bred for takes many, many years. Just like a Border Collie was bred to herd, a Rottweiler bred to guard, a Bloodhound bred to track, a Retriever bred to retrieve, a "pit bull" was bred to fight other dogs.

With all that being said, yes, you can manage a breed's instincts up to a certain point, but after that it is completely up to the owner to not set their dog up for failure. I would never expect a Rottweiler not to guard just like I will never expect a "pit bull" not to show dog aggression or have a very high prey drive like all terriers.

Some "pit bulls" will never show an ounce of dog aggression or prey drive in their life. Some will be perfectly fine with other dogs and other animals until they hit maturity. Some will be dog aggressive or prey driven as early as 10 weeks old.

In response to human aggression...All dog breeds have the ability to be human aggressive. "Pit bulls" are no more human aggressive than Rottweilers or German Shepherds. They are however, the most popular breed in America. With that stat comes many ignorant owners. Some who breed for human aggression and some who breed for color while ignoring any mental instabilities in the dogs being bred. Most of society can not even correctly identify a "pit bull" from any other bull breed which often leads to mislabeling a dog that has bitten a human.

My advice would be to not bring your dog anywhere with other unleashed dogs. That IMHO is setting your dog up for failure. Part of managing a dog is to have complete control in any situation you put your dog in. If you can't have complete control than I suggest not putting them in that situation. Good luck with your pup.
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Wonderful post pampam!

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IME, our barn got a new barn dog a while ago. A garden variety 8 week old bully breed. After a few weeks of having him I started bringing my rottie over who is about as cool as can be. He really ignores other dogs unless they engage him first, he's not a bombarder, or a rough player. Just a really great dog to start off socializing with. From the get go this pup would flat out attack my dog. It was easy enough to diffuse in the beginning, but once he grew I refused to bring my dog over because I didn't want to take the chance of my dog getting hurt or becoming aggressive. Well after that they sent him back to his (backyard)breeder to be "fixed". They swore up and down that he was fine after a few weeks. He come back and a friend of mine brings over her lab. This dog goes to the dog park several times a week for a few years now, its very close to my friends house. Well a co worker makes the stupid decision to just untie him and let him lose from inside the barn (we were in the back of the barn). He rockets outside and there was NO "hey who are you" butt sniffing. He came at him jaws wide open and latched onto his neck. I literally had to punch him in the face and knee him in the ribs to rip him off and wrestle him to the ground.

.... All that from a 6 month pup.

All appropriate steps were taken for socialization, but it was just in his nature to be dog aggressive.

I have no problem with owning "dangerous" breeds, but when I owned my rottie I took all the appropriate measures to make sure he was 99% safe. Right down to asking him to ignore people and dogs (unless they engaged us). The last thing the world needs is another "reason" to hate rotties or pits due to irresponsible owners. That being said part of being responsible is recognizing the potential your dog has for being "violent".

Are there going to be aggressive labs and toy poodles, yes, but they weren't purposely bred for that protection ability. Rotties, pits, German Shepards, etc... they are a different, its no secret they were bred for protection, fighting, guarding, etc. It's no different then breeding Arabs for endurance, drafts for pulling, TBs for speed or QH for agility.
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Amp, I apologize if it seems that I was attacking you - that was not my intentional. I should have clarified more.

By bad owners I meant the ones with carry a gun in their pants and have dog merely for the image - because having a Pittbull is "bad". There isn't any responsible training - in fact, quite the opposite - they use their strength and tenacity in the fighting world because they are unmatched.

Pittbulls, regardless of what some think, in actual fact they were not originally raised for fighting dogs. They were herding and farm dogs, just like the Border Collie. It's their physique and mentality that made idiots turn them into fighting dogs. A "ticking time bomb" is an extremely ignorant way to describe a Pittbull, and one that screams to me of one who was never owned one. Although, theoretically, any thing with a brain - dog, horse, cat, person - can be a ticking time bomb. There are dogs out there with a WAY more natural aggression then Pittbulls - Again, I go back to the Rotti's and Dalmations. But they are socially acceptable - simply for the fact that they couldn't make it in a fighting ring.

While Pittbulls may be more naturally aggressive then, say, a Labrador, they are not naturally aggressive enough to blame all these attacks on them just being a Pittbull. I got mine she when was three months old and I trust her 100% - my nephews have spent hours with her buying her in the sandbox and running through the trees. She is at her most happy when she is being spoiled rotten by kids - the more the merrier.

Gathering from what you've said, it sounds like she already had a rough start to life, which is more then enough reason for her to act out aggressively. This is the thing with Pittbulls (much like Arabians in this sense, actually) is that they will be 100% loyal to you right to the very end - just don't break that trust. It will take forever to get it back, depending on the degree the abuse was dealt out. Unfortunately, this is why fighting Pittbulls (who have been career dogs) are always euth'd - It's just too hard for them mentally to come back.

The only thing that I do agree with Gillian on is that they are willful dogs and have their own personality and will not like everything or everyone they meet - just like I don't like certain people. However, I will act nice if it's required. It's not acceptable to be snapping a dog that's merely passing by, just like it wouldn't be acceptable to go up to someone and punch them because I don't like their shoes.

While your situation isn't dire, it could be. Unfortunately, it only takes one person with their "All Pittbulls are death" mentality to cry wolf and you it could end up being a situation between life and death for your dog - which is why I absolutely can't stand it.

Wether it's a protection issue or a dominance issue, you have to let her know that that is not acceptable.
Is there another cue to you use to tell her "NO" when you are at home and she misbehaves? Perhaps even having something simple as a time out - getting her attention back on you and making her sit.
She needs to be focused on you 100% as her leader and it just seem that she is lacking that a bit.
How about putting up an ad in the paper or classifieds or kijiji? Maybe it's just a matter of a trainer not advertising because a consistent lack of clients? Training is something, equine and dogs, that is left behind in this economy today.

Anyhow, I apologize again for seeming to be attacking you. It sincerely was not my intention. Hopefully you can see a little bit more from where I was coming from.
I wish you the best for your dog! It does seem like your the best thing to happen to her.
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