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post #11 of 42 Old 04-09-2013, 10:56 AM
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Delfina you are SOOO right. "Rose" looks like a Husky and behaves like a Border Collie. She continues to add to her job list. If I don't go out for evening chores right away she has her own language to push me out the door, ending with sitting in front of me staring and a sharp, "Ruff!", then a serious "look." Both dogs walk me back to house as if I had them next to me on a leash. Heeling is a natural dog behavior.
My dogs will get another (visiting) family member out of bed. "Pyg" guards the open chicken gate, so the hens don't wander out. Unlike Rose she won't think of chicken for lunch, just wants the eggs.
They both get nervous when the horses roll, bc many years ago Ro Go Bar got cast when he rolled (at age 26) and no amount of barking got him up.
And, of course, they guard...and track...and chase.
PLEASE don't give up your dog. All of the suggestions are good. Maybe you can borrow the zap collar, first, if $ is tight.

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post #12 of 42 Old 04-09-2013, 11:19 AM
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While training our GSD to be easy with the rat that adored her, we realized that with all the telling her what NOT to do, we were also not giving her any direction on how TO appropriately behave. Once we addressed this and praised her for the wanted behavior, and not just commanding "easy!" did she understand how she was to interact with her very small friend.

The way the OPs dog is behaving does sound like the puppy that was taken away too early and didn't learn manners from mom and pups. It's almost like they don't know the body language and cues of dog language. It makes training so much easier when you have an established pack that they can mimic.

Also, I would not hesitate to use a pinch collar. When fitted and used correctly it is a wonderful tool. With the pressure coming from all areas when it is pulled, instead of a flat collar or even choker that will put pressure on the front of the neck and could possibly cause tracheal damage.
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You also need to get the dogs attention before the "adrenaline blackout" at that point, they aren't listening or feeling anything.

It is frustrating dealing with a dog like this. I think baby steps are in order.
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post #13 of 42 Old 04-09-2013, 11:23 AM
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I would not put a dog like that in a crate all day. Can you at least get a dog run so it can move around? I think more exercise would be very benificial. I am also all for a shock collar. I have one that is adjustable so you can be gentle or harsh.
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The problem is not enough exercise. If you have ever watched The Dog Whisperer its almost always lack of exercise causing behavior issues. Big working breeds are bred to be on the run all day. If you could get a run or even a fenced in yard area for him to run all day I suspect that might help a bit.

I think Muppetgirl has hit the nail on the head though.

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Delfina you are SOOO right. "Rose" looks like a Husky and behaves like a Border Collie.
Unfortunately people think working dogs are sooooo cute or "well I have a *farm*, so it'll be fine"..... not when your farm is 6 acres and the only "farm" aspect of it is a couple horses that nobody rides!

There's a dog type out there for everyone. I'm too lazy/busy to train/exercise/deal with an active dog so I bought a BullMastiff AKA a big, furry rug whose *job* is to hold down the couch so nobody can steal it.
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You need to do your research before you get a pet.

Taking on a herding/hound breed because it's 'cute' and then blaming the dog when they're not quiet and sweet isn't the animal's fault. The fault lies squarely with the human who didn't do proper due diligence.

So, because you didn't do your homework, you want to punish him by dumping him back at the shelter. Unbelievable.

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Funny you mentioned 6 acres--I have 5 and 50 acres of somewbody else's cornfield in the back. Xena was a sweetheart but a couch potato. Rose keeps herself and Pyg in fighting shape.
It's just like training horses, If you want the dog to be useful you must give the dog your TIME. Honestly, my dogs sleep in the house at night, and they get LOTS of attention every day. It doesn't take as much "work" to dog train. I do agree that high energy dogs shouldn't be gotten lightly.
I loved the GS/Collie mix, and I'm becoming partial to a GS/BC mix, and I think that will be my next dog.
It's going to be REALLY hard, though, bc my two are the same height, almost the same weight, and almost the same age. They are joined at the hip, and when one goes the other will probably die soon afterwards.

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Completely OT but SR I love your new avatar
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Thanks, NB. I find it completely apropos in the majority of situations.
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We had a springer spaniel from a rescue that was exactly like this - and also with people outside of the immediate family. It took a good 6 months from the time he was neutered for his character to change.
Get him involved with as much activity as possible and socialize him as much as possible, he is possibly being defensive in his aggression and doesn't trust other dogs so needs to learn that they aren't the enemy
We've taken many rescue dogs and I'm afraid they mostly come with a lot of unwanted baggage.
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