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post #21 of 60 Old 04-23-2013, 12:12 PM
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Sorry you are going through this. It is very difficult situation when a dog can be sweet and loving one minute then vicious the next. Dogs like these are the most dangerous because they tend to be completely unpredictable.

He could have "snapped" for many different reasons. I would first suggest a complete health examination by a vet to rule out any injuries. If he is completely healthy then the next step is a behaviorist. A GOOD behaviorist might be able to find out what his trigger was if he has one. But you would still have to strictly manage him and who he is around to make sure his he is never triggered.

I would personally steer clear of any Ceaser Milan methods. They are very dangerous for amateurs to try and bullying a dog into not being aggressive is absurd IMO.

You have a few options though. You can choose to keep him and manage him, which will include never letting him near any strangers. You can accomplish this by crating him when people are over and never taking him anywhere that is heavily populated. You can turn him over to a trustworthy rescue that will only adopt him out to someone who is very experienced with aggressive dogs or you can have him humanely euthanized.

Personally, I could never manage a human aggressive dog. I live a rather social lifestyle and enjoy my dogs being around other people. I also could never give a human aggressive dog to anyone, including an rescue, because I would never forgive myself if the dog ever did any damage to a person. If it were my foster, as hard as it would be to do, I would have the dog humanely euthanized.

I would also suggest implementing NILF and a two week shutdown for any future fosters.

Again, sorry that you have to go through this. Good luck with your decision.
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post #22 of 60 Old 04-23-2013, 12:19 PM
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Agreed. Even my close neighbors are willingly learning to talk to my dog, "Pygma" and don't put up with the growling. SHE isn't aggressive like yours. I've told this before, but a few years ago, looking for a companion dog for my docile GS/Collie cross, I tried a 7mo GS from a shelter. Got him on a Friday. He loved people and attention. Then he tried to kill 2 of my cats and attacked "Corporal", (1982-2009, RIP), my favorite horse, when he was standing in his stall. He went back Monday. I should have put a bullet in his head, bc I didn't think his brain was wired right. Don't think YOUR dog's brain is wired right either. Family dogs who behave like this have been known to bite children in the face. Do you want this to happen?
Pyg will warm up to anybody who comes over, sits down and ignores her for an hour. Then the Lab side kicks in and she throws their arm up and wants to be petted. My sister-in-law is happy that she greets her with a wagging tail and kisses, now, just like I get.
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Thanks for the input. I would keep him...but it's hard. I'm 15 so I have school til 4:30 everyday and then I have homework to worry parents & siblings are NOT dog-savvy...When I had to put down that dog last year, I felt like the worst person in the world. Like I could have fixed it. But I just don't have the knowledge to train him...I don't have the money for a behaviorist. My mom is afraid of dogs as it is. I just don't see it working out unless I could find someone experienced to take him. He has allergies and heartworms as well...I just have no idea how I could possibly get him placed anywhere... :/ I know euthanasia may be the best option, but...he's not a bad boy...he's really not...he had not shown any signs of aggression before bringing guests in the house. All he wants is attention all the time. A woman I know worked hard to get him out of the shelter. And now I'm just taking him out of 9 months of a cage to kill him. It just breaks my heart.
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post #24 of 60 Old 04-23-2013, 06:50 PM
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So he is human aggressive, has allergies AND has heart worms.. Heart worms are expensive to that would MUCH better be spent on a dog that isn't aggressive. If I were in your position, he would be euthed.
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OH and NO OFFENSE, but being as you are just 15 and at school most of the day, with your not so dog savvy family - This is NOT the best situation for this type of dog. Can he be rehabbed? probably. but finding the right situation for him wouldbe what he would need to be able to be rehabbed.
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post #26 of 60 Old 04-23-2013, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Gillian View Post
Please dont listen to the above advice. Correcting a dog for growling will lead to the dog learning not to give warning before resorting to more intense methods of expressing his fear, like biting. Growling is him saying "I'm scared, stop what you are doing or I will have to do more."

Dogs don't growl or bite out of aggression or meanness, but out of fear. To me it sounds like he could have been resource guarding you or the house/bed from your friend.

A dog can resource guard anything.

The dog should be neutered and you should find a behaviorist to work with. You can afford to have him neutered if you save up money.

This dog should never be trusted 100% and should absolutely NOT go to a home with children. That is so dangerous. It makes my head spin that you would consider that.
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That is a little rude to tell the OP to completely disregard my advice and the post I took time to write. Moreover, if you do not correct the dog from growling, you are allowing the issue to escalate. Use the first growl to realize there is an issue at hand, then correct the dog and begin to work on the issue. Allowing the dog to continue growling at somebody is purposely allowing the dog the upper hand in the situation and you are asking for the issue to get worse. Growling does not only mean fear. Growling can indicate possessiveness, aggression, dominance, etc.
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post #27 of 60 Old 04-23-2013, 08:21 PM
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OP, pm me your state, city, and email address. I will send an email out to my contacts to see if anybody knows of a trainer local to you.
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post #28 of 60 Old 04-23-2013, 08:30 PM
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The dog may have thought he was protecting you. I suspect this isn't the first time he's displayed this behaviour. Perhaps that's why he was at the shelter. One seldom gets a history of the animal which would help the prospective owner make a better decision.
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post #30 of 60 Old 04-23-2013, 08:59 PM
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We're going to have to agree to disagree LostDragonflyWings.

I disagree 100% with your advice and with the Cesar Millan method of training.

I think "correcting" aka "punishing" a growling dog is ASKING for the dog to escalate the behavior. I didn't say to let the dog just growl away. But dogs do not try to "dominate" people. Growling = Fear, NOT dominance. And if you think that's how dogs work than we are not going to agree on much. I'm done with this discussion, glad what works for you works, but I hope you don't get bitten one day.

My dogs do not fear me, I have never "corrected" them, bumped them, manhandled them, yelled at them, or even raised my voice, EVER, and they are two wonderfully behaved dogs. And they didn't start out that way, they were a wreck. One grew up feral and the other is a wolf hybrid. I also work with dogs as a living. But it's okay, we don't all have to agree! :)

Cesar Millan bullies dogs into shutting down. That's why they don't react. But do you know what happens after a dog shuts down? Fallout. No warning, no way to know it's about to happen, and BAM, someone is bitten.

If you need any evidence it's all here in this video. Cesar doesn't understand dogs, has no qualifications other than being on tv, and is just a bully.

My advice to the OP was already given. And after seeing her recent post, between everything going on, especially the heartworms, I think the dog should be euthanized. The heartworms are going to kill him anyway, to be honest. :( That is not to be taken lightly. Heartworms kill.

I'm not sure why a 15 year old is "fostering" dogs in a household where one member is afraid of dogs and she is away at school all day, but I'm not going to get into that.

I suggest the OP and anyone interested do some reading about calming signals. This dog probably showed quite a few before "suddenly" attacking.

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