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    07-31-2012, 11:54 AM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by texasgal    
Most times the problem is with us .. that promotes insecurities in our dogs ..

While that saying is right, I would never advise that any one fallow any teachings of the dog wisperer. His methods are out dated, and dangerous, he has killed dogs, and even hung a dog on his show. He has more law suits than walmart.
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    07-31-2012, 05:19 PM
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    07-31-2012, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by myhorsesonador    
While that saying is right, I would never advise that any one fallow any teachings of the dog wisperer. His methods are out dated, and dangerous, he has killed dogs, and even hung a dog on his show. He has more law suits than walmart.
Can you please cite?
     
    07-31-2012, 06:25 PM
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Can you please cite?
Google it. Youtube it, it really isnt thay hard to find stuff in him
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    07-31-2012, 08:07 PM
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Google it. Youtube it, it really isnt thay hard to find stuff in him
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Well, no offense but since you made the point, you should cite. However, I did Google it and I could not find any unbiased source. All that I found was in 2006 where he was being sued by his producer but nothing on the verdict.

ETA: I went on youtube and still nothing. Honestly the people who accuse him of mistreatment are people who baby their dogs. Dogs are animals who use physical touch to dominate. I find it hysterical when people allow dogs to use their body and their mouths and yet make excuses for them. My aunt has a huge dog that jumps up on people when they come through the door and nips them. She says" he is just saying hello". Unbelievable.
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    07-31-2012, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by uflrh9y    
Well, no offense but since you made the point, you should cite. However, I did Google it and I could not find any unbiased source. All that I found was in 2006 where he was being sued by his producer but nothing on the verdict.

ETA: I went on youtube and still nothing. Honestly the people who accuse him of mistreatment are people who baby their dogs. Dogs are animals who use physical touch to dominate. I find it hysterical when people allow dogs to use their body and their mouths and yet make excuses for them. My aunt has a huge dog that jumps up on people when they come through the door and nips them. She says" he is just saying hello". Unbelievable.
Sory, but I was on my phone, so I can't get you sites.

If you look you can find stuff on him.

Dogs are not wolves, they do not "dominate" like wolves. You can get hurt by doing the things the dog wisperer does. A lot of dogs will bit people in the face if they trie to roll then like he does.

His shows SHOW more than once that he has kicked the snot out of a dog. Dogs are NOT horses you can NOT use any dominace. Go to any dog forum, and I garuntee you that they will chace you off with your tail between your legs if you even mention his name.

I can't find the video where he hangs the dog till his toung turned blue, but you can even see in this video, that he is choking the dog.

Here is one with him kicking dogs. I'm a dog trainer, that is my job, If I ever did half the crap this man gets away with, I'm be so fired. This is a quote from a comment on this video that could not be more true.

"cesar is actually an awful trainer. His methods work in scaring the dog into submission, but they don't teach the dog proper behavior. He teaches people to be dominant over their dogs so that the dogs fall in line. Why not just teach the dog that good behavior has good rewards?
His method: if a dog behaves badly, punish it
Better method: If a dog behaves properly, reward it
Less chance of the dog eventually snapping from the constant negative training and a greater bond between you and pet"


He only gets away with this, because he has a TV show. If you fallow his methods then you have a death wish.

It looks like most of the videos have been removed, and all the links to his laws suits have been taken down. I had them all saved in my favorites, and most are gone. One of his biggest law suits was on the news. Some of his staff that work for him, ran a dog to death on a tred mill.
     
    07-31-2012, 09:57 PM
  #17
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Many of the dogs CM works with are dogs that have been ruined by people. They are at risk of being euthanized.

While I don't agree with all of his methods, I believe in discipline. Sometimes a dog needs to know that his behavior - even though it's been reinforced for years - is wrong. A quick or short period of discipline is far better in the long run than allowing unstable behavior to continue.

The current trend in animal training and child rearing is no disciple .. it's "negative"... hence the reason we have unstable behavior in dogs, horses that don't respect us, and children acting like hoodlums with behavior issues.

Just my .02.
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    07-31-2012, 09:59 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Here are some links to some dog forum threads about training.

Why positive only training?


Here is a cesar thread (one of the nicer ones)

YAY for Ceasar...I loved it

Here is a video of what not to do with an agressive dog. He is pulling the dog onto him self, and choking the dog. Most of the time, the dog is just protecting him self.


Here are some other thread about him

Cesar, yes, no or sometimes?

Your opinion on Cesar Milan?

This is a really good read.

Your opinion on Cesar Milan?

I will give him one thing, He does set the human straight, He gives people a good wake up call. Dogs as well as horses, are a refelction/product of you. The dog you own is what you create.
     
    07-31-2012, 10:06 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by texasgal    
Many of the dogs CM works with are dogs that have been ruined by people. They are at risk of being euthanized.

While I don't agree with all of his methods, I believe in discipline. Sometimes a dog needs to know that his behavior - even though it's been reinforced for years - is wrong. A quick or short period of discipline is far better in the long run than allowing unstable behavior to continue.

The current trend in animal training and child rearing is no disciple .. it's "negative"... hence the reason we have unstable behavior in dogs, horses that don't respect us, and children acting like hoodlums with behavior issues.

Just my .02.
Dogs, horses, and people are all diffrent. Dogs don't think like we do, and they deffanitly don't think like a horse. Hiting or kicking a dog creates fear, nothing more.

Horses still think like wild animals, they still live in a herd. Dogs do not live in packs any more, that has been bred out of them.

Human know why they are in truble, and a good @$$ whoopen has done me good, but like I said I knew why I was getting it.

A dominant dog will fight you to the death for the record, you can pin it to the ground all you want, but the more you fight the more the dog will.
     
    07-31-2012, 10:19 PM
  #20
Green Broke
You've obviously never seen a pack of dogs take down a calf. When given the chance dogs will most definitely form a pack. We see it all the time ...

We can agree to disagree ... my intention was not to hijack the thread.

Have a blessed evening.
     
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