I don't find any one of those episodes abusive and the forums are not proof but opinion. Just like int he horse world, everyone thinks they know what is best, lol. There are millions of ways to do something, and no one right way. But what I don't like is when people who don't agree use shocking words like "abuse".
People ruined dogs. We molded them to be what we wanted and do what we think is best for us. Dog strollers, dog carriers, dog dresses, muzzles, retractable leashes, etc. And then we treat them like children and people and they are not children but animals. The idea that dogs don't work off a pack mentality and that dominance and submission are "BS" to is proof of that.
Natural Horsemanship works off the premise that horses are herd and prey animals. That you have to treat a horse like a horse. Why is it BS to do the same with a dog who is a predatory pack animal?
BTW, using opinion to cite and opinion is not proof. Posting a youtube video created by someone who hates Milan or a forum is not a citation based on fact. I can post just as many youtube videos and forums of people who love him.
Do you know how many dogs I've worked with that have been dumped off at the rescue, because they tried to use Cesars method and it back fired? The # will shock you, since I've lost count I couldn't give you a solid # but it is over 100.
I already told you that all the proof I had has been deleted off the internet, but there was a thing in my local news about his las suits, but that is also no longer there. It doesn't matter the oppinion of the poster on the videos, those are his shows from the TV. I saw them when they originaly played.
I've also already said HORSE are NOT dogs, and DOGS are NOT people. You cannot treat them all the same. The pack for the most part is bred out of the dog, the herd is still a big part of a horse. Hitting, choking, strangling, and yanking on a dog does to cure agression it causes fear, that will turn into more agression.
You can argue with me all day, but as long as I see people dump their dog, because of trying to "alpha" the dog, I will never ever like Cesar nor will I ever sugest any one try any of his methods.