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        08-01-2012, 03:07 PM
      #31
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    Originally Posted by texasgal    
    The problem with CMs methods, and most of the NH methods with horses, is that most PEOPLE are clueless about timing, consistancy, and actually reading their animals. It's not the method that fails, it's the people applying it incorrectly.

    Be mad at the people who "dump their dogs" not at the author of the methods that THEY fail at. People dumping their dogs is not CMs fault. Seriously.

    His programs clearly state to not try his methods at home without a trained professional. I don't agree with everything he does .. and have enough sense to make my own choices.

    If you don't like him or his methods, don't use them. Making blanket statements like "the pack has been bred out of dogs" and "the alpha is BS" shows a level of inexperience on your part. If/when given the chance, dogs will and DO forms packs and submit to an alpha. Ask any rancher who has taken out feral dogs attacking their cattle.

    Many people here have been "dog trainers", involved in rescues, been vet techs, and worked with and owned dogs longer than you have been alive. Methods come and go and every generation thinks the "latest and greatest" method is the only way to train...just like the generation before you.

    I appreciate your enthusiasm in working with dog rescues and such. I'm sure you have plenty of knowledge. Standing on your own merit without trashing someone so vehemently will do more for your credibility, imo.

    Again, we'll agree to disagree.
    So you thinks it's right to kick dogs, and pin them down and stare them in the eye praying they don't jump back up to eat your face.

    I did agree earlier that they do forum packs, but my point was they do not forum a pack with a human. We are not dogs, and they do not look at us like a dog. Just like humans are not the alpha female with horses. It's trust and respect.

    I don't care about my credibility when it comes to puting down Cesar. He is a danger to dogs and humans. I'm not the only person that has fixed problems that his method have caused. I don't belive that there is only one way, but his is not one of them. Same as with horses, there isn't one way to do things.

    I will stick to training that not only works, but is proven to get beter results by trainers far better than I ever will be. I'm always looking to learn from others better than me, but I will never learn any thing from cesar, and yes I do watch his show I watch it every time it comes on, and I get all the episodes on DVR. I also watch victoria, and that other guy that's name escapes me.
         
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        08-01-2012, 03:48 PM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by myhorsesonador    
    Do you know how many dogs I've worked with that have been dumped off at the rescue, because they tried to use Cesars method and it back fired? The # will shock you, since I've lost count I couldn't give you a solid # but it is over 100.
    Well, assuming that what you are claiming is true, it seems again that it is the owners at fault and not CM. As Texasgal said, it is about timing and knowledge. If anyone watches his show and thinks they can do what he does (even though he says in the beginning not to try it) then they are the idiots, not CM. I think what people watching should take away from his show is that dogs are dogs and they have a different mentality then people. They need exercise and consistency and discipline before treats and cuddles and doggy dresses. But for you to blame CM because people are morons and think they can see something on tv and do it, well I don't know what to tell you.

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    I already told you that all the proof I had has been deleted off the internet, but there was a thing in my local news about his las suits, but that is also no longer there. It doesn't matter the oppinion of the poster on the videos, those are his shows from the TV. I saw them when they originaly played.

    I've also already said HORSE are NOT dogs, and DOGS are NOT people. You cannot treat them all the same. The pack for the most part is bred out of the dog, the herd is still a big part of a horse. Hitting, choking, strangling, and yanking on a dog does to cure agression it causes fear, that will turn into more agression.
    And I don't think he is hitting, strangling, or kicking. It's like someone seeing a horse trainer using a crop as an aid and saying they are beating the horse with a stick. When a dog uses his teeth to manipulate and dominate a human, to think that you can help him with a cookie and baby talk makes no sense to me.

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    You can argue with me all day, but as long as I see people dump their dog, because of trying to "alpha" the dog, I will never ever like Cesar nor will I ever sugest any one try any of his methods.
    Well, I was not arguing, I am having a discussion. And you were the one who turned this thread into a "I hate CM" fest just because someone posted a picture of him. I don't have an issue with people preferring different methods for training. There is no one right way. But I wasn't the one who bashed a particular trainer using shocking words and scare tactics like "abuse" and "strangling and kicking" when it's not true. And I find it quite convenient that there is no proof and it all "disappeared". Not only is CM a dog abuser but he is a hacker and conspiracy theory mastermind as well? I don't think so.

    Tha said, I would never use CM methods on an aggressive dog. I do not have the knowledge or the experience. However, I do use his theories and philosophy of exercise-discipline-affection. And I think the fact that he has changed many people's minds about pit bulls is wonderful. I have a pit bull and she is the best dog ever. She has gone from a nervous dog who spent all her time in someone's backyard to a wonderful family dog that people can't believe is a pit bull. I thank CM for that. It may not work for you or for other people, but it worked for me and that doesn't make me a dog abuser.


    On a side note, I am super jealous you live in Ocala. I love Ocala. I used to work at the UF Horse Research Center of of NW 100th street.
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        08-01-2012, 04:10 PM
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    .......but I will never learn any thing from cesar, and yes I do watch his show I watch it every time it comes on, and I get all the episodes on DVR.
    Obsessive ... much? Wow. Lol
         
        08-01-2012, 04:10 PM
      #34
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    Originally Posted by uflrh9y    
    exercise-discipline-affection.
    This was around before Cesar, he was just the first to say it on TV, but I agree that he does help as far as telling people how it is. I think I already said this, but I know he is very good at training people. He makes them realize that the dog wasn't born bad, people made it that way.

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    Originally Posted by uflrh9y    
    On a side note, I am super jealous you live in Ocala. I love Ocala. I used to work at the UF Horse Research Center of of NW 100th street.
    I don't actualy live in Ocala any more, I'm about 45 Minutes away in Morriston, I'm also 45 minutes from Gainesvill.

    Ocala, isn't what it used to be saddly. Most places have shut down, and we have the highest unemplyment rate in the state, and one of the highest in the US. One of my neighbors, was a banker for 30 years with the the same company, but she was let go because she was over qualified, and it cost more to keep her around then some one newer.( I can't tell you if that is true or not, but it makes since.) Most of the amazing tack stores are gone, it's mainly just race tack. Most farms have cut down on horses 2 (other than the TB farms)

    It's not even all that dog friendly either. I ate at an out side table at crispers today, and the staff kept giving me the death glair, because I had one of my jacks with me.
         
        08-01-2012, 04:13 PM
      #35
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    Originally Posted by texasgal    
    Obsessive ... much? Wow. Lol
    No it's called research. If your going to be against some one, then you better know who your talking about. I go off of what I see not what youtube told me.

    I record all the shows from the horse trainers as well.

    I don't watch SIFI or any other stuff I watch dog and horse shows. So what if I choose to watch that insted of Jersey Shores?
         
        08-01-2012, 04:41 PM
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    If your going to be against some one,......
    And there it is ..
         
        08-01-2012, 04:43 PM
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    Originally Posted by texasgal    
    And there it is ..
    ??? What is that supposed to mean??? I've made it very clear that I do not like him, and will never follow his method.
         
        08-02-2012, 11:37 PM
      #38
    Foal
    How's the leash aggression going?

    I had show dogs for most of my life who I raised from pups with no problem. A year ago, I got my first rescue. He was hours from euthanasia and supposedly a stray. Great dog, great with kids, dogs, etc. But quickly we discovered he was aggressive when meeting dogs on leash.

    One thing I've found to help is to put him in situations where there are other dogs (but they're restrained... for example by a fence that's easy to see through). We do heelwork and stuff where we can see them, and gradually get closer. He gets praise for remaining focused on me and not the other dog, and we've made a lot of progress.

    We haven't solved everything, but it's a start. We're also enrolled in obedience/rally classes, and a huge benefit to this is that we're around (and in close proximity to) other leashed dogs. It's going REALLY well--huge improvements.
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        08-03-2012, 12:04 AM
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    Originally Posted by cirrutopia    
    How's the leash aggression going?

    I had show dogs for most of my life who I raised from pups with no problem. A year ago, I got my first rescue. He was hours from euthanasia and supposedly a stray. Great dog, great with kids, dogs, etc. But quickly we discovered he was aggressive when meeting dogs on leash.

    One thing I've found to help is to put him in situations where there are other dogs (but they're restrained... for example by a fence that's easy to see through). We do heelwork and stuff where we can see them, and gradually get closer. He gets praise for remaining focused on me and not the other dog, and we've made a lot of progress.

    We haven't solved everything, but it's a start. We're also enrolled in obedience/rally classes, and a huge benefit to this is that we're around (and in close proximity to) other leashed dogs. It's going REALLY well--huge improvements.
    What breed(s) did you show? Just being nosey (pssst pics are always cool 2)
         
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