Originally Posted by myhorsesonador View Post
Do you know how many dogs I've worked with that have been dumped off at the rescue, because they tried to use Cesars method and it back fired? The # will shock you, since I've lost count I couldn't give you a solid # but it is over 100.
Well, assuming that what you are claiming is true, it seems again that it is the owners at fault and not CM. As Texasgal said, it is about timing and knowledge. If anyone watches his show and thinks they can do what he does (even though he says in the beginning not to try it) then they are the idiots, not CM. I think what people watching should take away from his show is that dogs are dogs and they have a different mentality then people. They need exercise and consistency and discipline before treats and cuddles and doggy dresses. But for you to blame CM because people are morons and think they can see something on tv and do it, well I don't know what to tell you.
I already told you that all the proof I had has been deleted off the internet, but there was a thing in my local news about his las suits, but that is also no longer there. It doesn't matter the oppinion of the poster on the videos, those are his shows from the TV. I saw them when they originaly played.
I've also already said HORSE are NOT dogs, and DOGS are NOT people. You cannot treat them all the same. The pack for the most part is bred out of the dog, the herd is still a big part of a horse. Hitting, choking, strangling, and yanking on a dog does to cure agression it causes fear, that will turn into more agression.
And I don't think he is hitting, strangling, or kicking. It's like someone seeing a horse trainer using a crop as an aid and saying they are beating the horse with a stick. When a dog uses his teeth to manipulate and dominate a human, to think that you can help him with a cookie and baby talk makes no sense to me.
You can argue with me all day, but as long as I see people dump their dog, because of trying to "alpha" the dog, I will never ever like Cesar nor will I ever sugest any one try any of his methods.
Well, I was not arguing, I am having a discussion. And you were the one who turned this thread into a "I hate CM" fest just because someone posted a picture of him. I don't have an issue with people preferring different methods for training. There is no one right way. But I wasn't the one who bashed a particular trainer using shocking words and scare tactics like "abuse" and "strangling and kicking" when it's not true. And I find it quite convenient that there is no proof and it all "disappeared". Not only is CM a dog abuser but he is a hacker and conspiracy theory mastermind as well? I don't think so.
Tha said, I would never use CM methods on an aggressive dog. I do not have the knowledge or the experience. However, I do use his theories and philosophy of exercise-discipline-affection. And I think the fact that he has changed many people's minds about pit bulls is wonderful. I have a pit bull and she is the best dog ever. She has gone from a nervous dog who spent all her time in someone's backyard to a wonderful family dog that people can't believe is a pit bull. I thank CM for that. It may not work for you or for other people, but it worked for me and that doesn't make me a dog abuser.
On a side note, I am super jealous you live in Ocala. I love Ocala. I used to work at the UF Horse Research Center of of NW 100th street.