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        06-18-2009, 10:30 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    I dunno.
    I'm also a member of a guinea pig forum, and they encourage proper care for ALL their pets, not just their piggies. There are lots of horse people over there, too, and they take fantastic care of their animals. I mean, to the point where somebody was looking for a pleasure horse and they ended up paying more for a detailed PPE (blood test, x-rays, the works) than for the horse itself.

    Maybe guinea pig people are just weird. =D But I know that everyone over there is serious about NO breeding, NO pet stores, BEST food, and all that. No matter what animal it is.
         
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        06-19-2009, 11:34 AM
      #12
    Started
    Then that is an excellent forum! I have been on a few like that to a certain degree

    But I have left many forums because of the "central" group who will give you crap for giving your pet the second best food instead of the best, but then know next to nothing about proper care for their other pets
         
        06-19-2009, 11:38 AM
      #13
    Foal
    Thank you for posting this psot.

    I have to admit I was a bit frustrated the other day.
    I gave advice to a new ferret owner. Just giving some helpful hints and stuff I learned and I had two people basically shoot me down.

    They said ferrets are only meat eater. Which is a lie becasue I did my research and contiune doing my research. I haved talked to a vet who specializes in ferret and people whom have bred them for years.

    They said it was ok if they eat raw vegtables and they were the ones who told me some treats they like. Also I have a ferret that won't eat meat. So he is on a special diet. That and he had panceratic cancer. It is sort of like dieabties( 1 in 3 get it) which he had from day one. Well they had there suttle way of saying it was the fruit loops and I was a horrible person. It is a treat people. That and we love are animals to death, we never put them in harms way. Also our vet gave us a complimnet the last time we toke them in. For a ferret he thought would not make another six months due to his minor seizures. He is now 6 years old and was diaignoised when he was one. ANy time he looks sluggish he gets honey water my husband or I hold him and in ten mintues he is back to bouncing around again. He sometimes has a bigger seziure and that is when we stay up with him all night

    Also our ferrets are out when we are home my husband plays with them constanlty. They are happy and healthy and play for hours while most peoples sleep all the time. They even sleep on us and follow us around the house. I guess they hate us right.

    Either way I just needed a chance to vent. Sorry for the long note.

    As I tell ever one I am not a vet. But I do my resaeach and learn every day. If you learn things off the internet use some descretion. But if your animals are healthy and happy you can't be doing to much wrong. That goes for any type of animal..
         
        06-19-2009, 11:53 AM
      #14
    Foal
    Also I for got to mention and some of you have they are the first poeple to ask for advice. Whether it is small animals or horses

    My stallion which you see to the left almost was put down two years ago due to rotating his tendon around and did some major ligament damage.

    The vet said he will never be able to do anything and if he does recover will never be any thing more then a staute in a feild. Well my husband went against the odds and knows how much that horse means to me. He told the vet no.

    We worked on him for three motnhs stright hosing and my husband manipulated the bandage to rotate the tendon back to its proper space. With time ans healing anf Fig giving us the cue he was ready to do more. He is back to normal. All that is left is a small calcium deposit of to the side. But it does not bother him. The photo to the left is him after three months back under saddle.

    My point here is sometimes perfesonals can be wrong or inforamtion you read. That is why you have to make the finall decision and use descretion and do your reseacrh and talk with people. You never know what they know. I may have contradicted myself here but, But I will explain my last post.

    Back to the ferrets the vet had been dealing with them for over twenty years and I asked has there been any problems with giving treats like fruit loops and he said no. If any thing it was plastic and other things. But not vegtables etc. So you never know

    Sorry again for the rant. I really needed this. Thanks again for listening
         
        06-20-2009, 11:03 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    Because horses arent the only pets they have?

    I have not yet ventured to a Rat forum because I bought.. *GASP* one rat. No, I did not do the research and I bought him from a pet store. I bought books and magazines the same day I bought him and I remember posting something on this forum, on the other pets section and I got blasted via PM for buying just one rat from a pet store. I'm still learning to care for him and I think I've got him too fat so I do need to find one.
    No, they shouldn't have blasted you via PM, but a rats are social creatures. They need at least one buddy. There are certain things (like grooming) that you, as an owner, cannot do for your pet. Having a pair of rats also makes sure that they're not alone in a cage for hours when you're at work, school, or a social event. I myself have five! All of them were pet store purchases, mainly because you have to be 21 to adopt from a shelter (I am 19), and none of the shelters around my area had any for adoption. You're learning as you go along, and that's what matters. You might want to try www.ratforum.com if you're looking for a forum. They have a lot of information for new rat owners.
         
        06-22-2009, 09:48 AM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    Thanks catalyst... I do want to get him a friend (it's a him so I want a him)... but I'm not sure how to introduce them...at this piont will there be issues?
         
        06-22-2009, 01:16 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    thanks catalyst... I do want to get him a friend (it's a him so I want a him)... but I'm not sure how to introduce them...at this piont will there be issues?
    Here is a general procedure to introductions: Important : Introductions and Quarantine procedures

    Since you just have a single male, I don't think you're going to have much trouble with introductions. If you get a second male from the same place, there's a good chance they were already housed together and if so, that will make it go easier. You don't have to follow introduction procedures exactly as followed in the link (I don't) but it does give you a good idea how to go about doing so.

    I hope that link helps. If you have any other questions, PM me
         
        06-22-2009, 01:29 PM
      #18
    Started
    Catalyst gave a good link, but I just want too add it is better to go to slow then too fast with intro's
         
        06-22-2009, 04:15 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LDblackhorse    

    They said ferrets are only meat eater. Which is a lie becasue I did my research and contiune doing my research. I haved talked to a vet who specializes in ferret and people whom have bred them for years.

    They said it was ok if they eat raw vegtables and they were the ones who told me some treats they like. Also I have a ferret that won't eat meat.
    I have to say that you are wrong. Ferrets are obligate carnivores. I have a ton of experience with ferrets. They do not have a cecum, so they cannot digest plant matter. It is as simple as that. What your ferret is suffering from is called insulinoma. Their blood sugar or glucose cannot be properly controlled due to cancer on their pancreas, so it dips too low. A ferret with insulinoma must be on a high protein diet, so that its sugar doesn't fluctuate so much. That is what causes the seizures. Giving sugar will cause the blood glucose to spike and then dip too low again, causing more seizures. If your ferret seizes, give it Karo Syrup or honey to get the blood sugar up again, and then a high protein food right away to stabilize it. I know this because I had a ferret who had it and I went to one of the best ferret vets in the country (Dr. Kawasaki in Northern VA). A ferret with insulinoma must be fed a high protein food that contains meat. Every vet I've ever seen has said that. Veggies are not OK. I am hoping that your ferret is on prednisone to help him. That is standard with insulinoma. It helps to regulate the ferret's BG as well. Anyway, if you want some good and accurate information on ferrets, there is a book called "Ferrets for Dummies" by Kim Schilling. It is a fantastic book and I think every ferret owner should have it. I recommend it to everyone that owns ferrets. Also, google Dr. Bruce Williams, he is the best ferret vet out there and has a TON of experience as well as articles written on ferret health.
         
        06-22-2009, 05:23 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VACountryGirl    
    I have to say that you are wrong. Ferrets are obligate carnivores. I have a ton of experience with ferrets. They do not have a cecum, so they cannot digest plant matter. It is as simple as that. What your ferret is suffering from is called insulinoma. Their blood sugar or glucose cannot be properly controlled due to cancer on their pancreas, so it dips too low. A ferret with insulinoma must be on a high protein diet, so that its sugar doesn't fluctuate so much. That is what causes the seizures. Giving sugar will cause the blood glucose to spike and then dip too low again, causing more seizures. If your ferret seizes, give it Karo Syrup or honey to get the blood sugar up again, and then a high protein food right away to stabilize it. I know this because I had a ferret who had it and I went to one of the best ferret vets in the country (Dr. Kawasaki in Northern VA). A ferret with insulinoma must be fed a high protein food that contains meat. Every vet I've ever seen has said that. Veggies are not OK. I am hoping that your ferret is on prednisone to help him. That is standard with insulinoma. It helps to regulate the ferret's BG as well. Anyway, if you want some good and accurate information on ferrets, there is a book called "Ferrets for Dummies" by Kim Schilling. It is a fantastic book and I think every ferret owner should have it. I recommend it to everyone that owns ferrets. Also, google Dr. Bruce Williams, he is the best ferret vet out there and has a TON of experience as well as articles written on ferret health.
    well I will say this again I know what he has and he does get honey water and is on a high protien diet food. He is not on medication becuase after the first seszure the vet didn't think he would live past six months. That was when he was one he is now 6years old. Pretty good for a ferret on no medications. HE gets more care then some people.
    He dosen't have seizures often. He also had the insolnoma before he every had treats, this happened after 4 months we owned him. So it was not caused be me. As for the treat thing that came from a ferret care book. They sugessted cucumber, carrot, small cooked shrimp and even fruit loops. There words were that ferrets can gorge themselves and give in small modiration. It is a treat.
    Just like a horse you may give a apple but you don't give it to him for a meal because he can colic if given to many.
    Also our guy has never had an upset stomach or anything. No diarhea or anything so is digestive tract can't be bad if his stools are noraml.

    Also how do you feed a ferret meat when he refuses meat from day one. We tried diffrent meats at the beginning he rufused them all. That is why he is on a special high protien diet. Our female will eat meat but not him.

    Either way fine for the advice people that is great, I like to learn. But the issue is done for me. I just disliked the tone and being jumped on from the start. I find this forum quite annoying at times one mintue some one does something people are like oh cute. Then the next as soon as some one says they dislike it then you are jumped on. Or you get the people who conastantly ask advice and then are the first to critisize every one. Well I had enough. My ferrets are happy and healthy and I think we have done a pretty good job for a ferret with insolnoma and no medications.
         
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