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post #31 of 40 Old 05-17-2010, 12:42 PM
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Kevin, nobody has to let an ACO on their property, but they will come back with a court order if they're turned away.

As long as I don't have anything to hide, I don't have a problem showing AC around. Of course, rural people tend to mind their own business, and don't call AC on a whim.

I do agree with you that I'd never take on an animal whose previous owner wants to retain the right to come see it whenever they want.
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post #32 of 40 Old 05-17-2010, 01:04 PM
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We have managed to keep a little tighter control on our government so they are not allowed to abuse our civil rights. I wouldn't have taken that dog to the vet until they came back with a court order. The officer had no choice to investigate but I would think he overstepped his bounds in requiring that the dog be taken to the vet. Either way it could have been avoided by not letting the previous owner stick her nose into the current owners life. I wouldn't care if it was the best horse or dog in the world I would never take an animal if the owner insisted on visiting.
I am going to agree with Kevin. The previous owner signed the dog away. How many of us would like a previous owner be it dog, cat, horse or mother in law show up on our door step whenever they felt the urge?

I would of needed black and white proof I was breaking the law if I did not take my dog to the vet. I think I would be asking the concerned party to foot the vet bill!
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I am going to agree with Kevin. The previous owner signed the dog away. How many of us would like a previous owner be it dog, cat, horse or mother in law show up on our door step whenever they felt the urge?
I do not disagree with that point. I said it long ago in this very thread. I would not take a dog with those string attached.

Period.


But AC was not wrong in this situation. The owners could have refused to take the dog to the vet. AC would have then gotten a court order.
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post #34 of 40 Old 05-17-2010, 01:10 PM
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I am going to agree with Kevin. The previous owner signed the dog away. How many of us would like a previous owner be it dog, cat, horse or mother in law show up on our door step whenever they felt the urge?

I would of needed black and white proof I was breaking the law if I did not take my dog to the vet. I think I would be asking the concerned party to foot the vet bill!
Well, since the OP is in Virginia:


Per Title 3.2, Chapter 65 of the Virginia Code - LIS > Code of Virginia > 3.2-6503

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3.2-6503. Care of companion animals by owner; penalty.
A. Each owner shall provide for each of his companion animals:
1. Adequate feed;
2. Adequate water;
3. Adequate shelter that is properly cleaned;
4. Adequate space in the primary enclosure for the particular type of animal depending upon its age, size, species, and weight;
5. Adequate exercise;
6. Adequate care, treatment, and transportation; and
7. Veterinary care when needed or to prevent suffering or disease transmission.
The provisions of this section shall also apply to every pound, animal shelter, or other releasing agency, and every foster care provider, dealer, pet shop, exhibitor, kennel, groomer, and boarding establishment. This section shall not require that animals used as food for other animals be euthanized.
B. Violation of this section is a Class 4 misdemeanor.
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Well, since the OP is in Virginia:


Per Title 3.2, Chapter 65 of the Virginia Code - LIS > Code of Virginia > 3.2-6503
And if the dog was suffering - why in the world was the AC officer playing ball with it?
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I would have said "I'll see you in court" and then got out the video camera and documented the hell out of the dogs condition. They couldn't seize the dog without a court order and I doubt the AC officer would put his butt on the line going in front of the judge to sieze a dog he was playing ball with.

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Well, since the OP is in Virginia:


Per Title 3.2, Chapter 65 of the Virginia Code - LIS > Code of Virginia > 3.2-6503

Thank you so much for posting that. Ivy was not suffering in anyway. Like I stated before if he thought she was suffering he wouldn't have been playing ball with her and having her go chase it..

Again thanks for everyones opinions. And the agreement was previous owner could come see her when she wanted but to call ahead and make sure they were home because like most people in the country we don't like just anyone roaming around our place :)

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Keeping an injured pet quiet is a lot of work. But always doable if the desire is there.
I just wanted to address this.

A year or so ago I got my kelpie bitch desexed. She has been a farm dog all her life, she lives in a pen and is let out to run and comes for rides with me on my horse. The only time she is ever on a lead is a few times a year when I take her into town.

I took a week off work as I knew she would not stay still in her pen and in addition the pens aren't exactly sanitary.

I was with her 24/7 - She slept on my bed so I could keep her still. I walked her outside to go pee. I kept her on my lap durig the day so she couldn't run around.

Despite my best efforts to keep her still and quiet, she had moved around too much and developed a hematoama (sp?).

It's not always possible to keep a working breed dog still enough. She would have struggled mroe tied up than not as she isn't used to it.

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It's not always possible to keep a working breed dog still enough.
Yes, but you did not send it outside on a leash with a five year old and then say she was not containable because a five year old could not hold her on a leash.

Huge difference in the amount of effort put into you keeping your dog quiet and them keeping this dog quiet.
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Yes, but you did not send it outside on a leash with a five year old and then say she was not containable because a five year old could not hold her on a leash.

Huge difference in the amount of effort put into you keeping your dog quiet and them keeping this dog quiet.
It was not said she wasn't contanable because my niece couldn't hold her.. That was a joke I made.. You know to lighten up the subject because everyone was getting so touchy about it.. They still took her out on a leash. And there was plenty effort made. She just wasn't happy and was actually becoming more stiff staying in the house.

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