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        03-22-2013, 09:01 AM
      #21
    Weanling
    Also, on a outride my horse was once attacked my a pitbull that had gotten out of the property (a different dog) and who sat in the grass, attacking anyone, human/dog/horse that passed by.
    I'm its clear I'm quite bitter about the breed in general.
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        03-22-2013, 09:13 AM
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    If a dog is aggressive or dangerous, it is the fault of the owner - not the dog.

    BUT Pit Bulls were bred for dog fighting and this DOES mean that, like it or it, they have more of a natural tendency for fight tenacity, they have amazingly strong jaws, and well protected necks. They have been bred to be 'fighting machines'.

    I do not like the history of dog fighting.
    I do not like the fact that there are people now who own and train their dogs to fight and attack.

    But these are facts that should be understood and respected. And for those reasons I would want certain dog breeds to be owned only by knowledgeable and responsible people who can manage those natural traits.

    The dangerous breed regulations in the UK (I'm not familiar with other countries regulations) are indeed discriminatory, they do help to give certain breeds a poor reputation, they are 'a sledgehammer to crack a nut' but they are there as a reaction to the facts stated above.
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        03-22-2013, 10:02 AM
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    Weanling
    Perfectly said, Shropshirerosie, taxation encourages responsible ownership.
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        03-22-2013, 11:28 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shropshirerosie    
    If a dog is aggressive or dangerous, it is the fault of the owner - not the dog.

    BUT Pit Bulls were bred for dog fighting and this DOES mean that, like it or it, they have more of a natural tendency for fight tenacity, they have amazingly strong jaws, and well protected necks. They have been bred to be 'fighting machines'.

    I do not like the history of dog fighting.
    I do not like the fact that there are people now who own and train their dogs to fight and attack.

    But these are facts that should be understood and respected. And for those reasons I would want certain dog breeds to be owned only by knowledgeable and responsible people who can manage those natural traits.

    The dangerous breed regulations in the UK (I'm not familiar with other countries regulations) are indeed discriminatory, they do help to give certain breeds a poor reputation, they are 'a sledgehammer to crack a nut' but they are there as a reaction to the facts stated above.

    The parts I bolded are incorrect, if you look up the Pitbull they were not intended to be bred as "fighters", they were bred to be a working class dog, herding animals on a farm.

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    Perfectly said, Shropshirerosie, taxation encourages responsible ownership.
    So, shouldn't every dog owner be taxed then? Not just pin pointing bully breeds?

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    There is some confusion over the "locked jaw" notion with pit bulls. There is no evidence for the existence of a physiological "locking mechanism" in the teeth or jaw structure of normal pit bull-type dogs, although a dog's jaws can be locked in a closed position by surgically correctable jaw abnormalities.

    Myself & my favorite "killer" pitty she's scared of her own darn shadow from being abused extensively, my BF rescued her and she is the nicest dog ever.

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        03-22-2013, 11:31 AM
      #25
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by muumi    
    Also, on a outride my horse was once attacked my a pitbull that had gotten out of the property (a different dog) and who sat in the grass, attacking anyone, human/dog/horse that passed by.
    I'm its clear I'm quite bitter about the breed in general.
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    And you blame the animal for that behavor? I would believe it would be the OWNER. Who in their right mind lets their dog "stalk out" everyone?
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        03-22-2013, 12:05 PM
      #26
    Green Broke
    I totally agree with Shropshirerosie. Owning a rottie I fully understood the potential power to do harm that they have. He was well socialized from a very young age and professionally trained. Now look at the people who own pits/bullys today... All I have to is drive two towns over to the ghetto to see pits jacked up like Mike Tyson with spiked collars dragging their owners down the street.... Now how does that help the image of pits? It doesn't. And this is what people see all the time.

    Also, there is no escaping the fact that when pits bite they bite HARD and do lots of damage because that is what they were bred for. Now a pom you can just kick across a football field, and if its lucky it might barely break skin. I was attacked by a monster jack Russel and he barely broke skin on my arms. That's with my stupid friend pulling him off me.
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        03-22-2013, 12:26 PM
      #27
    Weanling
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    And you blame the animal for that behavor? I would believe it would be the OWNER. Who in their right mind lets their dog "stalk out" everyone?
    I blame the owner AND the nature of the dog.
         
        03-22-2013, 12:27 PM
      #28
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Fulford15    
    So, shouldn't every dog owner be taxed then? Not just pin pointing bully breeds?
    I think yes. Would solve a lot of problems with hoarding/keeping dogs one can't afford/neglect IMO.
         
        03-22-2013, 02:45 PM
      #29
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    Fullford they are called Pit Bull Terriers because they were bred to fight in Bull, Bear, and Dog Fighting Pits.

    The following was pasted direct from Wiki. The breed originally came from the UK (sadly). I'd forgotten the bear-baiting part of their history; dog fighting came after that and very sadly is still going on.

    As you said, and corroborated by Wiki, they have been used on ranches in North America for herd protection but they were originally bred to FIGHT.



    "During the 19th century, England, Ireland, and Scotland began to experiment with crosses between bulldogs and terriers, looking for a dog that combined the gameness, speed, and agility of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog.[1]
    In the late 19th century to early 20th century, two clubs were formed for the specific purpose of registering APBTs: the United Kennel Club and the American Dog Breeders Association. The United Kennel Club was founded in 1898, and was the first registry to recognize the breed, with the owner assigning the first number to his own APBT.[2]
    The dog was bred first to bait bulls and bears.[3] When baiting bulls was deemed inhumane, ratting (a sport where a number of rats were placed in a pit for a specified time with the dog) and dog fighting became more popular. The APBT was used in both sports, and its prevalence in being put in pits with rats, or other dogs led to "pit" being added to its name.[4] With time, the dogs became more commonly domesticated due to their loyalty, loving and gentle nature with their owners.[5] In America, farmers and ranchers used their APBTs for protection, as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and to drive livestock.[6] The dog was used during World War I and World War II as a way of delivering messages on the battlefield.[5]
    Though of the same family, the American Pit Bull Terrier diverges in appearance from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, having fewer bulldog traits in the face and body. The American Pit Bull is medium sized, having a short coat and smooth well-defined muscle structure, but should never appear bulky or muscle-bound. Its eyes are round to almond shaped, and its ears are small to medium in length and can be natural or cropped. The tail is slightly thick and tapers to a point. The coat is glossy, smooth, short, and slightly stiff and can be any color.[1] The breed ranges from a height of about 17 to 22 in (43 to 56 cm) at shoulders, females weigh between 30 and 50 lb (14 and 23 kg) and males weigh between 30 and 60 lb (14 and 27 kg).[2]"
         
        03-22-2013, 02:59 PM
      #30
    Foal
    I have a big black purebred shepherd and I find this offensive

    Does this face look dangerous
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