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post #11 of 33 Old 07-28-2009, 04:05 PM
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For me cats and dogs are the same as horses: There are already enough unwanted animals running around, why add to the problem. You should be breeding with knowledge of what you are doing and to improve the breed and breed something that there isn't already an excess of. I do agree with whoever spoke about feeder mice. Im not looking for a confromational super star of a mouse, but you should know what you're doing even if the offspring is going to get eaten by a snake. Don't just start putting mice together and hoping you can make a profit
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Oh, a topic I forgot to touch on

Working dogs are different. Any show dog should have the ability to work as thier breed is designed (many breeders breeds for confo and work ability) But for ranchers/farmers a good working dog is a good working dog, confo doesn't matter beyond the dogs ability to work. Lifestock gaurding dogs for example. There are lots of mutts who work as LGD, and they are worth their weight in gold
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With dogs and cats, its not always about careless breeding, its about people being to lazy, and don't have enough money to get them neutered. And they just keep the unneutered dogs with a female and it is stupid
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I don't think people should breed larger animals just for the fun of it. With horses and dogs they should be registered and/or have a pre set home to go to. Both dogs and cats are constantly being brought into the pet shelters and having to be put to sleep. There are plenty of horses that need rescued out their too. As for small critters, it is perfectly fine to breed them as long as you know where the babies are going to go.

Morganshow11, you say we shouldn't breed rats if the babies are just going to be snake food...then what are you suggesting you feed to your snakes? They are important pets too and need something to eat as well.

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For me, leaving your pet un-spayed/un-neutured is the same thing as careless breeding. If you own an animal, you have no excuse not to get them fixed in the same way that you have no excuse not to give them proper vet care and nutrition. There are plenty of spay and neuter clinics around. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't own the animal and let it run around and probably get bred.
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For me, leaving your pet un-spayed/un-neutured is the same thing as careless breeding. If you own an animal, you have no excuse not to get them fixed in the same way that you have no excuse not to give them proper vet care and nutrition. There are plenty of spay and neuter clinics around. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't own the animal and let it run around and probably get bred.

Blaa some are accidental. My -registered show bitch (whom we never showed lol)- We were going to breed her... she was 1 year, and my nieces *5 month old* dog accidentaly bred. He was supposed to be young and she had had her period a week before. Completely an accident.

Rats are snake food, that's why they were made (lol jkjkjk) but they make great pets and snake bait.
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WHy is a rat any less important then a dog? If anything, proper breeding is MORE important for rats that are intended for pets. Rats for food, as long as they receive proper food, caging, and are well treated it doesn't matter so much, most only live a few months, But for pets, the breeder should strive for long life and health, along with temperment. A pet store rat MIGHT live to 3, a few older, but many die at 2. My 2 month old rattie has a tumor, as have had 2 of my others before (siblings). A well bred rat can easily live till four
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For me, leaving your pet un-spayed/un-neutured is the same thing as careless breeding. If you own an animal, you have no excuse not to get them fixed in the same way that you have no excuse not to give them proper vet care and nutrition. There are plenty of spay and neuter clinics around. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't own the animal and let it run around and probably get bred.
Exactly!
For instance, when I had guinea pigs I bought a new one from a pet store (never going to do that again) and guess what? She was seriously emaciated AND preggo. I had asked the store owner if she could be pregnant when I got her and the lady said there was no way since she separated them (she had my girl and her 2 brothers) before they were old enough to breed and I didn't think to ask how old she thought they had to be to breed (turns out she thought it was 6 months when it's actually 1-2 months).

Well my girl popped out a baby boy and a baby girl. And guess what I did? Did I say "they're just guinea pigs, I'm not going to spend the $60 to neuter the boy so he can live with the girls and have good quality of life"? I did not. I was only an 8th grader with no job but I did tons of chores and somehow made $60 so the boy could be neutered.

Along with making that piggies life easier, this last winter when I needed to rehome them all, it was way way easier to find him a great home (that I'm positive would never breed, even if they could) than it would have been if that boy was still intact. He was a "very rare" color and so he would have attracted a ton of wacko's wanting to breed for color even though he had no pedigree and even though he was inbred since his grandparents were siblings and his parents were siblings.

I know nothing about rats but I did have a petstore guinea pig (she was a rescue from a friend who was moving) live until she was 7 (freaking ancient for a piggie, their lifespan is 4-6 at the most usually.) She did have the absolute best of care from when she was around 2 (I joined a guinea pig forum and learned so much, lol) until her death. She would be still alive too except that her uterus decided to grow into one massive tumor and at her age surgery would have been very dangerous if not deadly.
At the same time, I had another girl piggy and her daughter (from my friends little sister letting the piggy "play" with a boy piggy,) mom from the petstore, baby was the product of 2 petstore pigs, that both died of neurological stuff around the age of 2 1/2. I'm pretty sure neurological stuff comes mostly from genetics so I'd bet that the mass breeding for petstores didn't help those two get a leg up on life. Haha

I considered spaying my girl piggies too but that is an extremely dangerous procedure for them and out of the 3 I had it would have been highly likely that atleast one would have died in the process. If spaying was less dangerous for them I definetly would have done it and had my little herd be comletely hormone free. Haha

Sorry that this is so long but it just makes me SO mad when people act like small animals aren't worth much. There are so many small animal rescues out there that are stuffed full with guinea pigs, rats, mice, ferrets, you name it and people keep breeding.

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WHy is a rat any less important then a dog? If anything, proper breeding is MORE important for rats that are intended for pets. Rats for food, as long as they receive proper food, caging, and are well treated it doesn't matter so much, most only live a few months, But for pets, the breeder should strive for long life and health, along with temperment. A pet store rat MIGHT live to 3, a few older, but many die at 2. My 2 month old rattie has a tumor, as have had 2 of my others before (siblings). A well bred rat can easily live till four
Dogs are always(or most always) filling up the animal shelters. Rats are not. You cannot feed dogs to other animals(or atleast you shouldn't). What I am trying to say is it is a lot harder to control the dog population when more and more keep coming into the world and none are going out(I don't mean people should just start killing their dogs but they shouldn't breed them in the first place). Rats live shorter lives than dogs and constantly in demand for snake food which controls their population.

Yes, feeder rodents need to be bred good for the sake of the snake. You don't want to feed a reptile an unhealthy animal and cause it to get sick. When any rat whether it be for feeder or pet is bred the breeder should have good knowledge of the breed and health record on them. At any sight of a sickness quarantine them and don't breed them if it is a genetic defect or hereditary disease. That really applies for any animal when it is bred.

Point is don't breed unless you have all the facts on breeding it succesfully and healthy and know for sure what you will be doing with the baby or babies.

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Im not saying a rat is any less than a dog. All life had value. But as SDD said its easier to control the population.
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