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post #1 of 43 Old 03-26-2014, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Post Trying to put weight on a large dog.

When we first got Tudds he was 93lbs. We had him up to 120, now he's 110. Heres what he was eating.

4Health, Performance Brand
Ingredients:
Chicken, chicken meal, ground rice, cracked pearled barley, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), egg product, dried plain beet pulp, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, glucosamine hydrochloride, chondroitin sulfate, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, yucca schidigera extract, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein 30.0% (min.)
Crude Fat 20.0% (min.)
Crude Fiber 3.0% (max.)
Moisture 10.0% (max.)
Zinc 150 mg/kg (min.)
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg (min.)
Vitamin E 150 IU/kg (min.)
Omega-6 Fatty Acids* 3.3% (min.)
Omega-3 Fatty Acids* 0.5% (min.)
Glucosamine* 600 mg/kg (min.)
Chondroitin Sulfate* 200 mg/kg (min.)
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO dog food nutrient pro le.
Calorie Content:
4,019 kcal/kg (376 kcal/cup) Calculated Metabolizable Energy

He was getting 2 cups twice a day. Plus one can of Puppy Blend soft food Chicken and rice

Now he's eating 2 cups twice a day of the lamb and rice adult formula

Ingredients:
Lamb, lamb meal, whole grain brown rice, oatmeal, cracked pearled barley, ground rice, millet, egg product, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dried plain beet pulp, natural flavor, flaxseed, fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, taurine, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, yucca schidigera extract, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondroitin sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein 21.0% (min.), Crude Fat 12.0% (min.), Crude Fiber 4.0% (max.), Moisture 10.0% (max.), Zinc 150 mg/kg (min.), Selenium 0.4 mg/kg (min.), Vitamin E 150 IU/kg (min.), Taurine* 0.1% (min.), Omega-6 Fatty Acids* 2.2% (min.), Omega-3 Fatty Acids* 0.4% (min.), Glucosamine* 300 mg/kg (min.), Chondroitin Sulfate* 100 mg/kg (min.),
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO dog food nutrient profile.
Caloric Content:
3,506 kcal/kg (328 kcal/cup) Calculated Metabolizable Energy

Plus one cup of the above, and one of Blue Buffalo Large Breed puppy in the middle of the day.

Ingredients:
Lamb, lamb meal, whole grain brown rice, oatmeal, cracked pearled barley, ground rice, millet, egg product, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dried plain beet pulp, natural flavor, flaxseed, fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, taurine, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, yucca schidigera extract, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondroitin sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein 21.0% (min.), Crude Fat 12.0% (min.), Crude Fiber 4.0% (max.), Moisture 10.0% (max.), Zinc 150 mg/kg (min.), Selenium 0.4 mg/kg (min.), Vitamin E 150 IU/kg (min.), Taurine* 0.1% (min.), Omega-6 Fatty Acids* 2.2% (min.), Omega-3 Fatty Acids* 0.4% (min.), Glucosamine* 300 mg/kg (min.), Chondroitin Sulfate* 100 mg/kg (min.),
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO dog food nutrient profile.
Caloric Content:
3,506 kcal/kg (328 kcal/cup) Calculated Metabolizable Energy

And then two of these Tabs a day(Digestive Enzymes & Probiotics)
Ingredients:

Enzymes blend, microcrystalline cellulose, maltodextrins, dicalcium phosphate, non-fat dry milk, natural flavor, dried whey, vegetable oil, silica aerogel, steric acid, magnesium stearate.
Guaranteed Analysis:

Per 3 gram tablet: Alpha amylase (aspergillus oryzae var.) 36 grams of dextrinized starch/min/gram: 2200 SKB, Lipase (Apergillus niger var.) 200 micro moles of fatty acid/min/gram: 200 LU, Cellulase (trichoderma longibrachiatum) 0.70 mg glucose/min/gram: 70 CMCU, Protease (ananas comosus) 360 micrograms tyrosine/min/gram: 21000 PU, Probiotics (lactobacillus acidophilus) 95 million cfu of lactobacillus (at time of manufacture): 95 million CFU



So, thoughts? He's a mastiff great dane cross. And is 4yrs old. The old owners took very very good care of him till he was a year and a half old. Then found him to be a nusince. Tied him with a 3foot leash to the wall. Kept him muzzled once he started chewing himself. And kept him like that till I got him the begining of this winter. You can still see ribs. And his spine sticks up still just a tiny tiny bit.
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Well, that's TMI for me. I keep a simple regimen for my dogs. Whatever dry dog food I find that they will eat and the #1 ingredient is a meat. I supplement with chosen table scraps (many people say big no-no on that, but I have never had a problem with it in the 25 years that I have had a dog), and canned/moist food.

I had a rottie/shepherd cross that started to lose weight as he aged and I added a cup of cooked white rice to his daily diet. It helped a lot. I knew someone that rescued a large dog (I don't remember the breed, but he was about 100 lbs), and rice was the answer for him as well.

Of course, always barring that there are any health issues that need to be addressed - worms, disease, injury, dental, etc.
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I'd just up his food a bit. Four cups a day isn't all that much for a dog that size- my 80lb GSD eats three cups a day and has a slow metabolism. I'd say 5/6 cups per day is probably a good starting point, so I'm not shocked he's not keeping weight on with less than that. Now, if you were feeding 8 cups a day and not getting anywhere, then I might start to re-evaluate what's going on.
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I've got a mastiff that was dang near 100 pounds underweight when he was rescued. I didn't read your whole post, I won't lie, because like the first poster said - too much info! We keep it simple with our (now) old man. We upped his food to start him slowly gaining till he hit his sweet spot, then leveled it out. He gets now about 10-12 cups of food/day, the vet is very pleased that we've maintained such a perfect weight for him now nearing 10 years old, and it's stayed that way his whole life. The only thing extra he gets is MSM for his joints. With just plain old dog food - after he found one that didn't give him nasty diarrhea - he went from ribby, skinny, skin and bones to a happy, well-muscled 200 pound gentle giant.

Honestly if he isn't gaining, feed more. Don't get into the complicated stuff unless feeding more doesn't work, and talk to a vet before you get too crazy - if upping feed isn't putting weight on something larger may be at play here.

A picture of me and him at the park in the autumn. I'll say it's to show you his good healthy weight but let's be real I just want to show him off.
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He's up to six cups a day, and honestly won't eat more than that. =/ Tried the rice for awhile and he ate it until he started trying to eat around it
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Blood and fecal clear. Vet thought he looked fine at 93lbs....
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If he's 110 now, and still visibly skinny, and your vet thinks he looked good at 93 you might want to consider a new vet.

Got any pics of your dog? I'd love to see him. It might help us get a better idea of his condition. Also mastiffs and danes are my favorite, so a mastiff dane mix is a must see!

ETA: Is there a higher fat food you can put him on? kind of like with horses, a few lbs of senior feed will put weight on a horse faster than the same amount of normal feed. If he only eats a certain amount, altering the content of that amount might work.
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Do you have a picture you can post of him?
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Picture for you guys....
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