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    01-02-2013, 11:09 AM
  #1
Weanling
Angry What can I do??

I am in a bit of a pickle... My mom has gone away to Arizona for 10 days, she recently got a new dog whom is not used to living in a "family" situation.

The dog was trained for the 2010 Vancouver Olympics in Security, she was abused.
She has accidents in the house all the time, even if she is outside for a while. I try and show her what she did was wrong, but if she is yelled at she gets very scared. I don't know how to disipline her without her getting scared and running away? She is by no means a small dog either, she is a German Sheperd, our other GS is trained very well as we have had him since he was a puppy, he tries to lead her and show her she's not aloud to jump up on counters, etc. She is a VERY dominate female though and puts him in his place. Although, she likes cuddling when she wants to.

My Mom has been gone for only 2 days and I am at my wits end with this dog! I let them out at 5AM this morning as the male woke me up to go out to do his thing, I let her out as well... let them back in 10 minutes later and went back for another hour of sleep, woke back up to find she did her thing ALL over the kitchen & living room!
Any suggestions would be very helpful!
     
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    01-02-2013, 11:22 AM
  #2
Green Broke
For starters, I would treat her as an un-housetrained dog which, in our home, means NO free roaming without direct supervision. Crating when not awake/present and tethering/direct line of sight supervision when awake and present. All potty breaks would be done on leash as well so that you KNOW that she has done her thing. Off-leash/free time comes only AFTER she has eliminated so she knows potty time is potty time and play time is play time. It may well be that while they were outside for those 10 minutes she was too busy doing any number of things and did not eliminate at all - thus still needing to do so when she was brought back inside. I like to use a verbal cue word for them to know it's time to do their thing so we go out, on leash and with a very "business" attitude, give the cue (at first I wait until they do start to do their thing and then give the cue so they associate the word with the action - then you can transition to using the cue to prompt the action). This also helps when you start to transition to off leash potty breaks as you can send them out with the cue and they will go out knowing what it is you want them to go do.
     
    01-02-2013, 12:39 PM
  #3
Weanling
Thank you for your imput, that is very helpful! I will put her in the crate while I am at work or out. As for the bathroom time, I will try the leash and walk her to the back yard seems like everytime she is on the leash she thinks it's play time, and just jumps up, but I will try to be firm without scaring her. Poor thing, just doesn't know any better and she doesn't know that what she does is wrong... She is terrified of men too, she is starting to take a liking to my BF though.

Another question, she goes after cats, she goes into "Kill mode"... will there be anyway of breaking this habit? We have 3 cats as well, and they have to be kept seperated away from her as she has already grabbed one of the cats when my step dad was carrying one of them. She seems almost like a feral dog, I do not trust her very much.
     
    01-02-2013, 01:34 PM
  #4
Yearling
For the house training I would suggest mostly what themacpack said. A strict routine is absolutely necessary. I had a male dog that liked to mark in the house. We ended up doing a lot of crate training and he is almost always under strict supervision. (Which he does not need anymore but the parents tend to freak out) When I was working with him, I plaid the two extremes. If I caught him lifting his leg he would get a smack on the hind end and a very loud growling noise and immediately taken outside. I would hang out outside until he urinated or defecated. (Sometimes this would take an hour) then I would act like he just pissed gold. Toys, treats and tons of praise. Still to this day, going potty outside gets a 'good boy'. Then he gets to come back inside for about two hours (on a leash, in sight) then back outside until he urinated then he got to come back in. And repeat all waking hours....then crated at night.

I have two cats and two dogs. Both dogs in the beginning wanted nothing to do but chase the kittens. It is a little different because they only wanted to chase but here is what I did. There must be an idea set that Cats are on the same plain as humans, they are better than the dog and should remain that way. So as you would not let your dog charge or growl at a human they should not do the same for the cat. I would invest in a squirt bottle and mix it with vinegar and water. Everytime the dog looks at the cat the dog gets squirt (avoid eyes) with the vinegar and water. Keep the dog on leash when the cats are around. With my dogs any movement towards the cats would have them flipped over on their backs faster than they could think. Any direct staring got a smack on the hind end, any growling/barking had them flipped over on their back. If they avoided eye contact or moved away from the cat it was an instant reward, I kept treats (small bits of hot dog works wonders) on me and would toss it towards the dog if they moved away. I also demand extreme respect from my dogs, if you are concerned with being bit I would not suggest trying to flip the dog over. Both of mine know the result for putting teeth at all on any human being.

Instead I would have a leash pull the dog back and 'run it over' Keep pushing it with your knees while growling "knock it off" stomp your feet. Also remember to use the squirt bottle. That has always been one of the fastest ways for sensitive dogs to not like what ever they were doing. Some will ignore it but those that hate it will stop the behavior fast. Timing (just like with horses) is very important, notice stiffness, staring, hair raised, lip twitching, lip licking....these are all signs.
     
    01-14-2013, 01:59 PM
  #5
Yearling
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Try to train her like a pup have her urine sent on a newspaper and she should urinate on the paper and slowley move it out side and that will probley solve the problem it is frustrateing but youll have to undo the dammage that someone ealse has done I know your curseing and going mad at her but step back in to her shoes how would you feel.
Try and build her confedence and hopefully the problem will be solved.
     
    01-14-2013, 02:07 PM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by michaelvanessa    
try to train her like a pup have her urine sent on a newspaper and she should urinate on the paper and slowley move it out side and that will probley solve the problem it is frustrateing but youll have to undo the dammage that someone ealse has done I know your curseing and going mad at her but step back in to her shoes how would you feel.
Try and build her confedence and hopefully the problem will be solved.
I am not a fan of the paper/puppy pad method for the simple fact that it is counterproductive as it actually encourages the dog to eliminate indoors (even if only on the paper) when you are attempting to train the dog to eliminate outdoors.
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    01-14-2013, 04:16 PM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
I am not a fan of the paper/puppy pad method for the simple fact that it is counterproductive as it actually encourages the dog to eliminate indoors (even if only on the paper) when you are attempting to train the dog to eliminate outdoors.

Agreed..! Thank you for all the imput, my Mom is back now. "Allie" started acting much better the last few days... We figured she had anxiety due to my Mom being gone, as she is fine now make no messes with my Mom back... what a stressful 10 days though!
     
    01-15-2013, 10:04 PM
  #8
Showing
Don't even think of what her history was like but as advised, consider her a dog that isn't housebroken. She may feel safer in a crate at night. It can be a safe haven for a dog especially if you drape a sheet over part of it, not the front. Try rewarding her when she does her toidie outside with a few treats.
     
    01-15-2013, 11:02 PM
  #9
Yearling
One thing I will throw out there even though your mother is back... You mentioned that even if you show her what she did wrong (peeing in the house) she gets scared.

Please don't punish the dog for accidents after the fact. If you come inside and find a puddle, then bring her over and scold her she won't have any idea what you're angry about. Dogs usually won't associate the mess with why you're angry, the assume that you're angry because of whatever they were doing when you got upset about it. (For example, if you find a puddle and grab the dog from chewing a toy to scold her she will think you're angry about her chewing the toy).

Only do the scolding if you catch her in the act. 'Rubbing a dog's nose into it' so to speak does not work. You have to catch them doing something wrong to punish them or they don't understand. It's similar to training to go potty on cue - wait for them to start going and give the cue so they will understand that they are associated. If you give the cue, the dog pees two minutes later, then tons of pets, the dog won't associate the two.

I'm not sure if that's what you meant by 'showing her what she did wrong,' but it kind of seemed like it. Just thought I'd throw this out there anyways. :)
     
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