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    10-19-2012, 09:14 PM
  #61
Yearling
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Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
As I said, "religious, SOCIAL and CULTURAL reasons."

As for the cleanliness -- I'm just not going to go there. As Allison said, for every PRO there is a CON response. :)

Regardless of all this, it's not a major surgical intervention; at any age.
I know you stated SOCIAL and CULTURAL reason as well, I was just voicing my opinions about the RELIGIOUS reason.
     
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    10-19-2012, 09:21 PM
  #62
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Wow-lots to say. First-Silverfae-Where did you get your idea about breastfeeding and circ's? Just curious...sounds like crap to me, and as a nurse and a mom with 2 boys both circ'd who ate very well-I would question it. I would love to see the research.

Northern Mama-there is scientific evidence that what Allison says is true. I can tell you that there was really not a question when my boys were born-dad was, everyone we knew was, as well as all the boy babies we knew at the time, 30 yrs ago. There is now evidence that there is an increase in cervical cancer in women whose partners and "un's".
I will also say-as a nurse who worked at the male dominated VA for YEARS, there are very few men who, IMO would electively AS ADULTS, get circed. It was always my observation, and frankly was a standing joke with many of my nursing peers, that you can pretty much do anything above the waste to a man. Get below the waste-whole 'nother story. They recover faster from open heart surgery than something below the waste. Seriously. Think about the men you all know. Bowels and balls. That is seemingly the center of the universe.
I also would say, which may be TMI for some, that if there is less sensation in an uncirced penis, which may make sense, I think it would make premature ejaculation epidemic proportions on uncirc'd men! Just another "observation".

As for the OP-she has said it isn't really open for discussion in her mind. She posted this thread really for support in dealing with her sister, and yet we are still arguing the point, which is no better than the sister. Perhaps we need a whole "uncola" thread in the saloon.
OP-stand your ground. THis is one of many things others may not agree with in your marriage, parenting and life. But-it is not their business. Period. Be supportive or shut the up.
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    10-19-2012, 10:02 PM
  #63
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Good point; back to the OP's problem. That reminded me that if your sister is this pushy with her opinons, I doubt she will be well recieved as a doula. The doula should be in he background, supporting when needed and out of the way when no. I know, I used a doula. She was very careful to keep HER opinions to herself, It's not her birth or her child.
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    10-19-2012, 10:57 PM
  #64
Foal
Franknbeans, it's just what I read on the La Leche League website, but they are a bit over the top sometimes. And I have no real experience, because like I said, I only have girls =P

It made sense to me at the time, before I had a baby, that if they were uncomfortable, they might not want to eat. But, after having babies, I think I might have to reconsider that since that seems to be *all* they want when they are uncomfortable.
     
    10-20-2012, 12:00 AM
  #65
Foal
Just tell your sister that you had sudden conversion to Judaism and you don't want to break any convenants with God
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    10-20-2012, 12:24 AM
  #66
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Originally Posted by Dead Rabbit    

A side point. Just b/c someone is taught to be clean, does not mean they will be.
Absolutely true, some people are just disguising. However removing the foreskin doesn't make them cleaner, they will still smell like ass if they are unable to wash sufficiently.

The arguments are really interesting to me. There have been studies that show that Mom's raise boys differently from girls, they expect more independence from girls while doing more for boys.

Also the idea of 'being like dad' is an interesting one too. Do little boys have a whip 'em out moment with their dads?

As Brad and I have been trying for some time to have a kid of our own, we've had this conversation. He would circ, I would not. His argument is that less sensitivity is a good thing. He remembers the days of being a teen when the simple act of walking would give him a lump in his pants.

A more pressing concern for the delivery room for me would be to make sure the baby gets an innie belly button, outies are freaks.
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    10-20-2012, 08:14 AM
  #67
Weanling
Respect brad's wishes. He has a more indepth, hands on (pardon the pun) knowledge about the whole deal than you do.

And we are in agreement with the innies
     
    10-20-2012, 10:01 AM
  #68
Yearling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Wow-lots to say. First-Silverfae-Where did you get your idea about breastfeeding and circ's? Just curious...sounds like crap to me, and as a nurse and a mom with 2 boys both circ'd who ate very well-I would question it. I would love to see the research.
No research here, just personal experience.

My son is one year old and was circumcised at birth. I don't necessarily feel like the circumcision itself causes nursing issues, but rather the timing. I let other people talk me into sending him to the nursery at night, rather than keeping him with me. I instructed them to bring him in whenever he needed to nurse. They brought him in once, and then the next morning I sat there wondering where on earth my baby was. The lactation consultant came in to help us out with nursing and she went off in search of him. When he was finally brought to me, he had already been circumcised (we did elect for the procedure, but weren't told when it would be performed). He hadn't had hardly any opportunity to figure out nursing, and post circumcision he was sleepy and probably in a bit of pain so he had very little interest in nursing. The lactation consultant was upset with the hospital because they were supposed to wait until after she had met with us before going through with the procedure.

We ended up struggling for months and finally had to give up on nursing.

If I had it to do over again, I would still get him circumcised, but would be more vocal about when the procedure would be performed.

As far as the reasoning for circumcision, if you look at a lot of the biblical time laws, the reasonings are for health/cleanliness. It makes sense, because they didn't have the things we have now (medicines, cleaning products, etc.). So, yes, circumcision was once about cleanliness. Now, thought an uncircumcised penis might require a bit more care (or at least a different form of care), they are not more "dirty" than a circumcised one. One of the arguments anti-circumcision people use is that people are choosing the procedure as a convenience to THEM, and not necessarily doing what's best for the baby.
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    10-20-2012, 10:25 AM
  #69
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
Totally depends on what you are used to. Until a decade ago I spent all of my life in England. I have to tell you that my husbands American penis was the strangest looking I have ever seen, it was like a naked bald man! Really weird.

And actually circumcising actually removes a lot of the sensation. Men who were not, have more sensitivity than those who were.


The original topic was about the OPs sister having too strong of an opinion. Personally I'd tell her where to shove it.
However since the topic has moved on to the procedure or not, I am firmly in the not crowd. A mother is quite capable of teaching a boy to clean properly. Heck with a female child we can show them how to do that, and it's the same thing, we need to move skin to do it.

To me it's almost like treating boys like they are too stupid to be able to clean themselves sufficiently.

Totally agree.

Someone has a perfect beautiful baby boy and they want to take a knife to him? This I cannot understand.
     
    10-20-2012, 12:21 PM
  #70
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
Absolutely true, some people are just disguising. However removing the foreskin doesn't make them cleaner, they will still smell like ass if they are unable to wash sufficiently.

The arguments are really interesting to me. There have been studies that show that Mom's raise boys differently from girls, they expect more independence from girls while doing more for boys.

Also the idea of 'being like dad' is an interesting one too. Do little boys have a whip 'em out moment with their dads?

As Brad and I have been trying for some time to have a kid of our own, we've had this conversation. He would circ, I would not. His argument is that less sensitivity is a good thing. He remembers the days of being a teen when the simple act of walking would give him a lump in his pants.

A more pressing concern for the delivery room for me would be to make sure the baby gets an innie belly button, outies are freaks.
It's not that they will smell like ass, rather they are prone to infections and such much easier with a foreskin.
     

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