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        09-06-2013, 10:08 AM
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    I'm thankful my son started writing cursive in K and first grade as he found it much easier to do, even though the teachers balked at first.
    I had to have a little "chat" with them so that he could have the choice to write any assignments in cursive when wanted to, unless it specifically called for printing.
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        09-06-2013, 01:14 PM
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    I'm not familiar with these terms, either... Boop
         
        09-06-2013, 01:31 PM
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    Trained
    I read the other day that most Americans don't so that's why I brought it up.

    I wasn't trying to say private is better than public, I feel like DD IS missing out on all the extras like sports and won't get to have a prom. But this core stuff is mind boggling. I agree that it's too new to actually know how it will turn out, and people cry boo every time there is change. But I do see problems with the terms, I'm in the states and yes, there is a smart core here.

    As for the cursive... Our important historical documents are in cursive. How will they be able to read them if they aren't taught? Or stand in DC and experience the awe and wonder I did when I read the original myself?

    My grandmother is the most eloquent and intelligent woman I know... I would give anything to have had her grade school education and her breathtaking penmanship.
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        09-10-2013, 03:05 PM
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    Yearling
    I did some digging and discovered that the term Smart Core is only used in one state in the US. It is something that state's education department came up with for their college bound students. It is the equivilent of an advanced diploma in the state of VA where I work in education.

    VA did not adopt the common core standards since they felt our Standards exceeded the common core standards.

    Our students can graduate with a modified, standard, or advanced diploma, depending on the types and numbers of courses they take. And yes, most colleges require an advanced diploma in order to be accepted because the advanced diploma assures that the pre-reqs for college have been completed.

    I see where you are troubled with the term "smart core" vs. "common core" and I find it hard to fathom that the state did not take into consideration the connotation involved with that.
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        09-18-2013, 09:30 PM
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    Schools no longer care about the academically gifted students anymore. We are all the same, a blurred number.
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        09-18-2013, 09:40 PM
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    Originally Posted by FlyGap    
    I read the other day that most Americans don't so that's why I brought it up.

    I wasn't trying to say private is better than public, I feel like DD IS missing out on all the extras like sports and won't get to have a prom. But this core stuff is mind boggling. I agree that it's too new to actually know how it will turn out, and people cry boo every time there is change. But I do see problems with the terms, I'm in the states and yes, there is a smart core here.

    As for the cursive... Our important historical documents are in cursive. How will they be able to read them if they aren't taught? Or stand in DC and experience the awe and wonder I did when I read the original myself?

    My grandmother is the most eloquent and intelligent woman I know... I would give anything to have had her grade school education and her breathtaking penmanship.
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    I am reading the book called "The Swerve", and it's about how a particular piece of ancient literature affected the modern world. Very hard reading for me. But anyway, my point was that when you think about how much an "educated" person had to know back ,2 ,3, 4, 5 hundred years ago, it's amazing. They had to learn to read and speak Greek and Latin, know the Bible, read all kinds of classics, quote poetry, know some aobut astronomy and often some about farming and geography (though often flawed), how to dance, sing, play a musical insturment, ride a horse well, and certainly to write with a quill in a beautiful hand . That is a LOT to learn . I know my education pales in comparison.
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        09-20-2013, 08:33 AM
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    Originally Posted by mahalopele    
    Schools no longer care about the academically gifted students anymore. We are all the same, a blurred number.
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    I'm not sure where you are located, but I would say that is not so in our school district.

    Hmmm, interesting point Tiny. Looking even further back shows the marvels of historical engineering and architecture...
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        09-20-2013, 12:07 PM
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    I am reading the book called "The Swerve", and it's about how a particular piece of ancient literature affected the modern world. Very hard reading for me. But anyway, my point was that when you think about how much an "educated" person had to know back ,2 ,3, 4, 5 hundred years ago, it's amazing. They had to learn to read and speak Greek and Latin, know the Bible, read all kinds of classics, quote poetry, know some aobut astronomy and often some about farming and geography (though often flawed), how to dance, sing, play a musical insturment, ride a horse well, and certainly to write with a quill in a beautiful hand . That is a LOT to learn . I know my education pales in comparison.
    Fascinating. What is the piece of literature referred to in the book?

    I agree with your sentiments. I grew up in the days of multiple choice questions. My parents, on the other hand, were educated in the era when a final exam meant writing everything you know about topic in a blue book - a much more rigorous approach, IMO.

    Now I am feeling guilty about dropping Latin with my kiddos. We started several years ago, but sort of dropped it mid-year. I suppose we should pick it up again.....but I don't wanna. (Lilacsbloom sighs and gives thanks that this is not a classical education forum)
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        09-28-2013, 06:20 PM
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    I'm pretty worried about this guys.
    Granted I send my kid to private, the curriculum is rated the toughest in the
    Nation.

    Smart core is good for the kids who are bored in regular class(like me, although im sometimes bored in honors and ap too). In my school, they only offer a few honors courses, so the rest of the time, im with the common core classes. Its basically used to offer a challenge, and it looks better on college applications.

    But... I had a discussion recounted to me from a counselor in a public school.
    He said that kids who go the Smart Core route are 99.9% more likely to be accepted into college than those that do Common.
    He said that Common Core kids (Which the majority of the kids in their school are in) have little to no chance in getting either a college admission or a scholarship.

    The thing that REALLY REALLY irritates me is the Smart VS Common terminology. How insane is that!??? Seriously? Peer pressure, insecurity, low self esteem anyone?

    I know when I was in school we had AP classes, and yes they greatly helped in college placement. I took some, but couldn't do the math courses. I was still accepted in college AND got a small academic scholarship.

    The thing is, as far as I can tell, you are in either common or smart. Not both. Am I mistaken? My Nephew was encouraged to go smart and if he couldn't cut it they would drop him down.

    Now why on earth not just teach everyone the same?
    I tried to take an 8th grade test from the 1920's and honestly I couldn't answer a SINGLE question. I'm seriously angry that I was shafted on a decent education. I'm doing the best I can for my kid now, but it's not even remotely comparable to what they did in the past.

    Another serious problem I see with SC/CC is in changing the way they teach math so that we parents have to relearn the process. Why not do the standard "way" that has worked for centuries instead of confusing everyone?

    I'm just seriously disturbed.
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        09-30-2013, 12:35 PM
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    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Lockwood    
    I'm not sure where you are located, but I would say that is not so in our school district.

    Hmmm, interesting point Tiny. Looking even further back shows the marvels of historical engineering and architecture...
    That's the basis of "No child left behind", the kids that get the curriculum have to wait for the kids that don't, or vice versa. It's no longer each individual student, it's that class as a whole. The class has x- amount of time for each topic, if the majority of the class gets it, great. If not, it cuts into the next topics allotted time.

    We have that issue with J, she excels at geometry, but still doesn't get the multiplication table. To bad, so sad for her. Of coarse as a parent, I've found ways to keep her working on it, but it's done on our own.

    What frustrated me (and our teachers) is that a new way of doing math problems was required to be taught during elementary school, but at the middle school & high school they need to go back to the way we were taught as kids. I can't tell you how frustrated our teachers are about that one.
         

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