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post #21 of 35 Old 09-30-2013, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by busysmurf View Post
That's the basis of "No child left behind", the kids that get the curriculum have to wait for the kids that don't, or vice versa. It's no longer each individual student, it's that class as a whole. The class has x- amount of time for each topic, if the majority of the class gets it, great. If not, it cuts into the next topics allotted time.

We have that issue with J, she excels at geometry, but still doesn't get the multiplication table. To bad, so sad for her. Of coarse as a parent, I've found ways to keep her working on it, but it's done on our own.

What frustrated me (and our teachers) is that a new way of doing math problems was required to be taught during elementary school, but at the middle school & high school they need to go back to the way we were taught as kids. I can't tell you how frustrated our teachers are about that one.
Then I would have to say that our school district is creative. GIEPs (Gifted IEPs [individualized education plan]) are still being utilized for the gifted kids as much as they always have.
But, the approach has indeed been changed in that gifted kids are being dispersed throughout the schools instead of singled out as a group. However, at least at my school, the gifted kids are still sub-identified and given a gifted curriculum and there are still gifted classrooms, just not overall identified as such.
And… in this way, kids who are not gifted but show a strength in a particular area, like math for example, are identified and given access to the gifted curriculum in that subject and a chance to excel.

It also means that in certain subjects, kids get to move at their own pace. Math in particular is broken up by groups and the groups work on different things and at different paces. True, in the end they probably all still need to meet the minimum guidelines, but those who wiz past this right away are given higher stuff to work on and the slower paced kids are given the time they need as well.

As I have experienced with my son at our school, if he’s having a hard time with a subject, it is not too bad so sad. There have been a few areas that he has struggled, but they have always worked with him before moving on and I would think it would be that same for your child too in my district.
What this means in the end as far as what the diploma means or the overall big picture, remains to be seen.
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post #22 of 35 Old 10-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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common core = commie core

Schools are no longer anything but indoctrination and social experiment centers for commies. Get your kids out.
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post #23 of 35 Old 10-08-2013, 10:54 PM
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I'm actually taking my kids out of school and homeschooling them now. I am not happy with the current common core crap.
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post #24 of 35 Old 10-08-2013, 11:52 PM
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There was a time when people were proud of ther education. How well they could write. And using correct punctuation.
According to our government it is no longer important. It's not if the answer is right or wrong. It is how ya got the answer.
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I have been standing on my soap box about this!! I really REALLY do not agree with the common core standards. There is one publisher that gets funded by the government for most of the work. I have been attending meeting after meeting, talking with teachers and parents and it is creating so much stress for the kids. I do opt-out my son for the tests because its just over the top. I do agree they can learn more but I'm so done with this.
Ok, I'm done venting.
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Just to touch on the handwriting here, from an educator's perspective.

As a teacher, I honestly do not care one bit how neatly my students write. As long as I can read it, then it is fine. The problem with demanding such a high standard of writing from students is this: if writing as perfectly as possible is taking up the majority of the student's cognitive memory space, then learning is going to suffer. If the student is concentrating so hard on their penmanship, then they can't possibly be concentrating hard on the work they are producing, the thought process involved, and thus they fall behind.

The education paradigm has been shifting from what we learnt at school. It's not about stuffing students' heads with knowledge. It's about growing lifelong learners, and equipping them for that. All of us that had to remember dates/times tables/historical figures and so on, we have all been superseded by an amazing time, and an amazing instrument. Google has given these generations such an advantage over us. Now we have to adjust how we teach these kids. Sure, 100 years ago everyone had to memorise Shakespeare, and master fencing, and look dashing while doing so. Now, my seven year old can Google Romeo and Juliet and know more about it than I ever did after performing it in high school. Times are changing, and education has to change with it.

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That's all well and good. Seriously, but when you have a child that normally gets a majority of A's on his math work and you switch the program to align with the new standard, and NONE of the kids in the class understand it and are failing there is an issue. More so when the child that gets the A's comes home bawling and cries over his homework because of the asinine way they are trying to explain things. When it takes 5 adults to look at that child's workbook and try and figure out what in the heck it is saying and try to explain it to him... there is a problem. Marking papers wrong because a decimal point isn't a perfect little circle is wrong.

There is more than that, but that is what my sleep fogged brain can think of right now....
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Chiilaa presentation is 9/10ths of what gets a person a job or makes them succeed. Instilling the ability to be meticulous AND get the correct answer IS IMPORTANT. Like you said anybody can go get the answers off of google, but can they present it in a formal educated professional detailed way if we don't teach them that punctuation and style matters? No.

Guys I'm disgusted with what just happened in my state.
There is a CC civics class ( or something of that nature), where they don't have textbooks.
The teacher have out a worksheet that stated that the Bill of Rights was outdated! The students were to take out two of the rights are replace them with two new amendments.
A mother got ahold of it and was outraged.
Her daughter DIDN'T EVEN KNOW what an Ammendment was, yet they were telling her it was " outdated" and to come up with new ones!

Google it for the whole story, LOL!

We called our State Rep to get the whole story. According to him this junk happens all the time, and they are investigating.

ND that's awful, good for you.
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OMG FlyGap. I'm not telling that one to my husband he would flip his lid.

Granted my oldest's hand writing SUCKS, and we're working with him on it.

Some of the suggested reading material for Common Core for high school students is borderline porn... Page 152 Dreaming in Cuban. I will not post the part from the book that I know about, but it's not pretty. Along the lines of Exit to Eden.
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I read this thread and just had to give an opinion. We have the same crap going on up here, particularly in the last 10 years. Provincial math results are dismal and cursive writing is being done less and less and left later and later. Most of the work is photocopied and there are many gaps in a child's learning. My older child attended an Indian school in the Middle East. Wow! What a wake-up call! The system we experienced there was based on the British system-not what it is today-what it was 40-50 years ago! There is no comparison to the weaker version of stuff I'm seeing here. Writing and math are introduced much earlier there. I don't know why we delay. They do not introduce computers until much later-not at the elementary level. A British educator told me that it is best to introduce technology after the "critical thinking" stage, here maybe that's grade 4/5. Makes sense to me. My child attends a public school but I have thought very, very hard about home schooling. I have work books for math and writing. Writing exercises include cursive writing, grammar, spelling, good old-fashioned dictation, and poetry! Reading includes the good old fashioned classics. I buy them used. We do drawing at home and my children take music lessons. The key is that you must do it yourself. Home schooling in our county seems to be growing too. Any way, I couldn't help but chime in. I don't know what the heck is going on with our schools.
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