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Yes, no parental permission needed 8 23.53%
Yes, only with parental permission 4 11.76%
Undecided 3 8.82%
No Way 19 55.88%
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    09-26-2012, 10:56 AM
  #11
Trained
Ugh. This is going to be flamed here, in spite of the evidence to support my stance, but I will continue anyway.

There is no way that kids should EVER be physically punished at school. To learn at their best, to maximise what and how much they can take from their education, students need to have their basic needs met. They need to not be hungry, they need to have shelter from the elements, they need to feel like they belong, and they need to feel safe. There is plenty of evidence that supports this, the first name that springs to mind is always going to be Maslow and his hierarchy of needs.

Hitting children does not make them feel safe or welcome. It damages the trust between the student and the teacher, which leads to further undesirable behaviour. They get caned again for this, leading to further breakdown in the relationship, and so the circle remains unbroken.
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    09-26-2012, 11:08 AM
  #12
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Haha...that's what boss mares do. They rarely have to do anything physical - they just give "the look" to get their point across...
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    09-26-2012, 11:35 AM
  #13
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I voted "no way" as well. While I have no problem with mom spanking the kid's rear when it's well-deserved, I do consider it as plain wrong (and in fact abuse) when some stranger does it - whether it's a teacher, trainer, you name it. They should use different (non-physical) disciplinary actions.
     
    09-26-2012, 01:45 PM
  #14
Green Broke
But also it should be perfectly ok to send the kids packing. Unintended consequence of federal meddling in local schools. Instead of raising achievement of the best we are spending all our time money and resources getting the worse up to a minimum standard. There will always be a segment that can't and wont learn. Those shouldnt be allowed to disrupt the rest of the class or suck up more than their share of resources.
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    09-26-2012, 02:09 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Ugh. This is going to be flamed here, in spite of the evidence to support my stance, but I will continue anyway.

There is no way that kids should EVER be physically punished at school. To learn at their best, to maximise what and how much they can take from their education, students need to have their basic needs met. They need to not be hungry, they need to have shelter from the elements, they need to feel like they belong, and they need to feel safe. There is plenty of evidence that supports this, the first name that springs to mind is always going to be Maslow and his hierarchy of needs.

Hitting children does not make them feel safe or welcome. It damages the trust between the student and the teacher, which leads to further undesirable behaviour. They get caned again for this, leading to further breakdown in the relationship, and so the circle remains unbroken.
No flaming from me, just friendly disagreement - the same as we had in the other thread. I don't much care what the psychologists say - the proof (at least here in the states) is in the pudding - lower test scores, and more trouble with drugs, alcohol, and sex under the "new" way vs. the "old" - which did include corporal punishment. Proof is proof, facts are facts...
     
    09-26-2012, 02:26 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Absolutely not.

I have 2 girls and neither have ever needed discipline for their behavior in school.

I have spent tons of time in their classrooms and the problem lies not so much with the kids as the pansy teachers/school personnel. I had a child literally pick up a chair and throw it at me because I told him he couldn't sit next to his friend. The teachers response "XXX that wasn't nice, pick up the chair and apologize please". He refused and then started throwing pencils and books at me. The teacher said fine, he could sit next to his friend but he needed to stop being violent. He then shoved MY child off her chair rather than pick up his. To the teachers horror I promptly took my child and her things and left for the principals office.

The principal said I was overreacting and the only solution they came to was to have an aide stay with the nightmare kid for a few days. They never called the parents, never handed out any form of discipline, they did NOTHING!!

Gee wonder why that child is a nightmare? I don't think he needed a spanking from school personnel but I do think he DID need to be punished. Perhaps a week of sitting on the floor since he threw his chair would have made him re-think his actions.
     
    09-26-2012, 04:45 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Delfina    
Gee wonder why that child is a nightmare? I don't think he needed a spanking from school personnel but I do think he DID need to be punished. Perhaps a week of sitting on the floor since he threw his chair would have made him re-think his actions.
Lol! I agree. I DO think kids MUST be disciplined. Just not physically.

BTW, when I was a kid we all had to spend 3 weeks or so of summer time to fix the school: painting, cleaning classrooms/desks/etc., fixing certain things, planting bushes and flowers outside, and so on. Nothing a kid couldn't handle (the tasks were dependent on age/gender/physical ability, of course), but it definitely taught a responsibility (as well as added some handyman skills into the tool box ).
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    09-26-2012, 04:56 PM
  #18
Trained
I voted yes with permission. Flame away!

When I was in the first grade I got caught peeling the paint off the bathroom doors. I wasn't the first to start it but I was the one caught so I was sent to the principle. I don't think I deserved a spanking for such a small infraction but that stuck with me. It was embarrassing having to hold my ankles, it was embarrassing having the rest of the kids know I got it, and then I got it again at home!

I'm not huge into spanking, really doesn't work with my kid. She freaks out and wiggles and screams, usually I use consequences and rewards. But, she knows da%n well I'm ticked when I reach that point. It's always been for the intolerables like yelling at me or throwing things. I've only spanked her 3 times and she quit the bad behavior so far. I think she would pass out if her teacher spanked her, and she knows it.

As for at school... Let em have it. It is disrupting at school for kids to have little to no respect for the teachers and takes up too much time dealing with their unruly behavior. By all means utilize consequences and rewards, but when that fails they MUST be shown that the teachers mean business. Our private school does it and I'm all for it. One kid is constantly disrupting class and last week DD told me he finally got a spanking. He has straightened up for now, the boys were also getting out of control on the playground so they all got lined up and spanked. I asked DD's teacher about it and so far so good. The kids do chores at school, take care of the smaller children and help them with schoolwork, it's a community environment where everyone chips in and the kids are all turning out great.

It drives me crazy when kids wiggle around during time out, I can't stand the way some kids I know back talk their teachers. They aren't getting it at home and there are no real consequences for their bad behavior. Boo hoo, got my I Pod taken away, I'll actually go play outside. That is not a punishment. As far as psychologists and their studies... Well spanking has been done throughout history, I think it's ok when REALLY NEEDED.
I'm also all for public humiliation too, I agree with "boarding" and would employ the same measures. Some day that kid WILL be publicly embarrassed if they aren't disciplined at home, rather they be embarrassed sooner than later when there are REAL consequences.

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    09-26-2012, 05:02 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    

BTW, when I was a kid we all had to spend 3 weeks or so of summer time to fix the school: painting, cleaning classrooms/desks/etc., fixing certain things, planting bushes and flowers outside, and so on. Nothing a kid couldn't handle (the tasks were dependent on age/gender/physical ability, of course), but it definitely taught a responsibility (as well as added some handyman skills into the tool box ).
That's a great idea, but can you imagine trying to do that today in some school districts - particularly in the city? All heck would break loose...
     
    09-26-2012, 05:09 PM
  #20
Trained
JWTA:
I 100% believe that it's only effective when done formally. Grabbing a kid without "the talk" and whacking them several times is mostly ineffective. But being sent to a cold formal office, having to WAIT, being informed of your infractions by a big scary adult, and then taking the punishment is terrifying and SHOULD leave a lasting impression. Sitting in a corner? Not so much.
     

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