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post #21 of 39 Old 09-26-2012, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Faceman View Post
..... the proof (at least here in the states) is in the pudding - lower test scores, and more trouble with drugs, alcohol, and sex under the "new" way vs. the "old" - which did include......
IMO, that has more to do with desensitization in general, permissiveness in today's society, the trend of more "me" minded generations, and the role parents are no longer taking in raising their own children..... not if spanking is used in schools these days.
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You are right Lockwood.
But I think that if they have the fear put into them they can act bad at home and be expected to behave at school.

China and other Asian countries have pretty strict corporal punishment and I don't see their kids running around hitting each other. The countries that have it are far outperforming ours. There is also shame, something America is lacking.
As far as it being abusive or perverse, make it mandatory that the principal and nurse be present, done deal. If abuse occurs then they get the death penalty, castration, whatever. I'm sick of all the mamby pamby stuff.

I also meant to sate that I voted for with permission, I change that to: For with prior notification. If the parent disagrees it should pend discussion.

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Originally Posted by Faceman View Post
That's a great idea, but can you imagine trying to do that today in some school districts - particularly in the city? All heck would break loose...
No, I can't. :(

BTW, slightly OT, but... My neighbor's kids went in a group for a week or 2 to help building entrances for the houses with handicapped people (those "ride-in" path in addition to the usual stairs). It was a church initiative, and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised when I heard about it.

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Originally Posted by Lockwood View Post
IMO, that has more to do with desensitization in general, permissiveness in today's society, the trend of more "me" minded generations, and the role parents are no longer taking in raising their own children..... not if spanking is used in schools these days.
All those issues - along with no discipline in school - are factors. School is certainly not the only factor. Permissiveness is pervasive throughout our society - including schools. Discipline at home but not at school is inconsistent, as is discipline at school and not at home. Children need a consistent message...
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The whole thing about spanking leading to hitting is ok has always bothered me. When spanking was acceptable there was a whole lot less violence in the world. Maybe other things have attributed to that as well.

I have spanked my two children each only once. They were both about 3-4 at the time. One is now 31 and the other 16. They both know/knew if they needed it I would "knock" them out :) I will also tell you I grew up in a very abusive not spankings, beatings with a belt, wooden spoon etc. I do not abuse my children, I do not disrespect my parents who parented the way they thought was best. I just chose to discipline differently.

Act up in school??? My kids would have rather dealt with corporal punishment there than the wrath of their mother when they got home. Fortunately I have raised my children to treat others with respect. And the look has always worked with me :) The one spanking they got made them well aware that I could at anytime spank again so the look would warn them to watch it they were treading on thin ice!
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I think that teacher's shouldn't result to physical punishment, but they need to stop being so **** gullible. Tell the little a-hole that he's being an a-hole (I mean, in more teacher correct terms though ) and that it is NOT ok.
I'm tired of students getting away with blasting music because they "can't focus without it", and sitting together talking and scrolling down Facebook because they're "working together".
Teacher's need to enforce rules and discipline students.
I personally believe though, that all the immature troublemakers should have their own class room where they can joke around and distract each other, instead of distracting hard working students.

And don't even get me started on teachers who fall for that "little boys are mean to little girls because they LIKE THEM" B.S.

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I voted yes, no permission from the parent needed.

My grandmother told me many stories of life in the Depression Era. When a student misbehaved in class, the teacher took them out back and showed them the meaning of a tanned hide. That's why kids were so well behaved and respectful back in the day, and they grew up to be hard working and honest.

These days, if you lay your hands on a kid, everyone starts screaming child abuse. Makes me sick. That's why we have so many problems in our schools. Kids know they can get away with murder. They have no respect. Standards have gone done the drain. Yes, it's the parents' job to instill respect in their children, but the reality is, many of them don't.

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To be honest, as someone who was physically punished as a child, it really had no impact on my behaviour. I didn't not do things because I was going to get walloped (although I am a bit numb when it comes to pain). Far more scary than the cane or the riding crop was Mum getting the broom and sweeping our lego into a garbage bag! I think schools these days could be a lot stricter without actually resorting to physical punishment - there are so many privileges that could be removed, so many icky jobs that the miscreant could be made to do that all it takes is some creativity.

I wasn't the easiest child to punish. Lock me in a room with nothing in it at all, I'd still find something to do; give me six of the best with a stick, I'd switch off my pain receptors and just get it over with; give me lines, I'd practice my handwriting. But take away my riding lessons, throw away my toys or make me scrub out the garbage bins by hand and I would never ever ever do it again (until I forgot ).
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A teacher that relies on punishment to control a class is a bad teacher. There should be no need for more than "the look", if there is, then the teacher needs to examine what he or she is doing and adapt to meet the needs of the student.

Think for a moment. If you didn't get a good nights sleep, it makes you (understandably) grumpy. As an adult, you can modulate your own behaviour, and at least try to be polite, but if you lose control, snarl and rip someone a new one, you can apologise and tell them "I didn't sleep well". Most people will be understanding, will give you some breathing space, and will probably also ask you if there is anything they can do to make your day easier. Would you want that person to turn around and, not only embarrass you in front of your colleagues, but then to use a physical punishment on you? None of us would, and if you say that you would accept that as being "ok" then either you are lying, or you have an extremely distorted view of acceptable social behaviour.

Going to school is a child's "job". Their teacher is not only facilitating their learning, they are also their "manager". Can you tell me, in the grown up world, where it would be acceptable for a manager to hit their employees?

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Corporal punishment is a form of repression(fear of being bad dosent make you good) and should be the last resort.
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