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        12-20-2013, 02:58 PM
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Well then, if they didn't do due diligence and let the teacher know ahead of time that's their error, not the teacher's.

    Seems to me if the principal is standing behind his/her teacher, there's a lot more to the story that you're not telling us.
    This is what I think. No reasonable teacher would deny a kid the opportunity to make up work due to an illness if it was properly documented, and the family had done all necessary to inform the teacher and make up the work when possible. I would guess that there's more going on that we don't know. Heck, YOU probably don't know the full story! I understand that it may have been an emergency procedure, but the school should have been informed asap and asked the teacher what make up work should be done and when.
         
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        12-20-2013, 03:58 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    ^^ Not necessarily.

    Teachers and Principles these days are not always so helpful. I've had jerk teachers before. I needed my inhaler during a test, I was told that if I wanted to waste my time then I was to go ahead and do so. I was recovering from a chest infection.

    I've also been bullied in FRONT of a teacher and they did nothing.

    It's unfair to assume that the person isn't giving the full story.

    Not all teachers are going to be understanding, but there are a lot of great ones out their.

    But I do believe the friend should have asked the teachers in advanced for the work. That would have been the more responsible thing to do.
         
        12-20-2013, 07:19 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Just to be clear, I AM telling the full story. The people in charge of my school are, well, they spi isnt be in charge. If you really want examples:

    1) if somebody has needs medicine immediately, a parent is supposed to come and administer it, even if its a life or death situation.

    2) they do play favorites. If a jock skips school, they won't get detention. If I skip school (im not an athlete) I would get detention.

    3) they built a new school (this is our first year) too small for the current student body. People have to eat in the hallway because there aren't enough seats in the cafeteria. (this is with about 50 people transferring).

    4) we aren't allowed to leave the cafeteria (not the school, the cafeteria) or we get detention. Apparently its easier to have us all in one place, even though the drug addicts are going to break the rules anyway (there's only 700 students, and tons of video cameras. They can track our every move if they really wanted to).



    Believe me now?

    There is nothing I'm not telling you. My school is messed up, ask anyone who attends here. Im just asking for help for my friend. The teacher has been there for a while. Maybe that is why they aren't doing anything (and the fact that the school district is losing teachers right and left probably doesn't help
         
        12-20-2013, 07:25 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Oh, there is one part of the story I forgot to tell you. Its actually the most interesting part. My friend asked the teacher for help, and he said no (he is a jerk). Later, when he was called to the principals office, he lied and said she never asked for help. Luckily a few people in that class were walking by and confirmed my friends story. Nothing was done about it. He wasn't even reprimanded for lying. How messed up is that? I don't think he ever did help her...
         
        12-20-2013, 08:03 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Your school handbook should have a policy regarding make-up work for excused absences, such as medical appointments, illness, etc. Generally that policy will state that the student has the same number of days that were missed in order to make up the work. If that policy IS in the handbook, take it to the principal, and if they still get no response, go to the district superintendent. Generally that is enough. If that fails, the state superintendent is the next step. If your school handbook has no policy in effect, THEN it is up to the teacher.
         
        12-20-2013, 08:53 PM
      #16
    Showing
    If your friend's parents aren't willing to go the extra mile and contact higher ups in the chain, complaining about it on an online forum when it doesn't involve you in any way, shape or form does nothing.

    If your school is that awful, why haven't any of your parents done something about it? So either you're exaggerating a whole heck of a lot, or your parents are ineffectual at effecting change and are to blame for you not getting a proper education.
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        12-20-2013, 09:33 PM
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    That sounds pretty average, not awful. Budget cuts mean there isn't going to be enough room for everyone- try being in a school of 1500 kids that was built for 900. You make it work, it isn't your teachers' fault. In a lot of places people besides the parents / medical professionals CANNOT administer medicine, especially if they don't have express permission from the parents to do so and in LOTS of places people are expected to eat lunch / spend their break in certain parts of the school. It might seem terrible and bad from your perspective, but as one person you don't get to see the whole picture. Additionally, because it isn't YOUR problem there is a chance you don't know the full story. People exaggerate when they talk to their friends, it's a fact of life. I'd inform your friend that her mother can get signed notes brought into the teacher and then stop fussing about it.
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        12-21-2013, 01:55 AM
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    ^^ Not necessarily.

    Teachers and Principles these days are not always so helpful. I've had jerk teachers before. I needed my inhaler during a test, I was told that if I wanted to waste my time then I was to go ahead and do so. I was recovering from a chest infection.

    I've also been bullied in FRONT of a teacher and they did nothing.

    It's unfair to assume that the person isn't giving the full story.

    Not all teachers are going to be understanding, but there are a lot of great ones out their.

    But I do believe the friend should have asked the teachers in advanced for the work. That would have been the more responsible thing to do.
    It's also unfair to assume that we ARE getting the full story and bash this teacher because of what one of his/her students says on an online forum. Teachers aren't immune to being insensitive and not understanding, but I don't think we can say one way or another. Regardless, I don't think that we are getting the full story- we're getting it third hand from a friend of the person in question. Nothing from the teacher or principal's point of view.

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    Originally Posted by mahalopele    
    Just to be clear, I AM telling the full story. The people in charge of my school are, well, they spi isnt be in charge. If you really want examples:

    1) if somebody has needs medicine immediately, a parent is supposed to come and administer it, even if its a life or death situation.

    2) they do play favorites. If a jock skips school, they won't get detention. If I skip school (im not an athlete) I would get detention.

    3) they built a new school (this is our first year) too small for the current student body. People have to eat in the hallway because there aren't enough seats in the cafeteria. (this is with about 50 people transferring).

    4) we aren't allowed to leave the cafeteria (not the school, the cafeteria) or we get detention. Apparently its easier to have us all in one place, even though the drug addicts are going to break the rules anyway (there's only 700 students, and tons of video cameras. They can track our every move if they really wanted to).



    Believe me now?

    There is nothing I'm not telling you. My school is messed up, ask anyone who attends here. Im just asking for help for my friend. The teacher has been there for a while. Maybe that is why they aren't doing anything (and the fact that the school district is losing teachers right and left probably doesn't help
    Those things may be bad, but they don't prove the point that we're getting the full story in the slightest. Poor facilities and legal issues (most likely) regarding medicine distribution don't have any bearing on what the teachers do. It's very common for kids to be required to stay in a designated area during lunch hour. Yes, there are awful teachers out there. Trust me, I've had some of them in middle and high school. None of the information given makes me think that this teacher is one of them. Without hearing BOTH sides of the story, then we have no way of knowing whether there was adequate communication between your friend and the teacher about the missed assignments. I'm also not saying that you're trying to withhold information from us- just that you're not the teacher or your friend. I just don't think that you could really know the full story unless you were present for all of those communications

    Either way, regardless of whether your friend or the teacher has done wrong, it's highly unlikely that you will find the information on here. Your friend and her family will only be able to resolve this issue by communicating to the school, and referring to the handbook. Both of which should have been done when she became sick!
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        12-21-2013, 09:50 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    I am confused why the OP is even bringing this up here. First of all, this person is not a parent asking for advice from peers and so really has no say or stake in the situation. Secondly, an online horse forum is hardly the place to try to solve such matters. Thirdly, bringing up unrelated examples to demonize the school or teacher is not productive for anybody.

    I expect there is much more that is not known about this situation. If the situation is truly as represented, then the parents need to contact the school authority, as failing a student for a medical emergency is unacceptable. Schools teachers and school boards do NOT want kids to fail. It is in everybody's best interest that kids succeed and pass, including the teacher and the principal.

    If the OP is unhappy with the school, then he / she needs to talk to his / her parents or guardians and either change schools or contact the school or school authority to work toward a solution.

    I know teachers are not perfect and some, like any other people, can seem like jerks, however, there is absolutely no motivation for a teacher to intentionally undermine a students success.
         
        02-07-2014, 09:07 PM
      #20
    Foal
    This is the funniest post , I do not believe any of it. A parent is suppose to come to the school and administer aid if a child is sick ?

    So if the kid is dying the parents have to come ??

    What school is this ?
         

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