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post #1 of 21 Old 01-11-2012, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Am i the only one that feels this way???

Hi everyone, i was forwarded a paragraph from www.ridingtours.com by a friend who shares my view.

On their "Horse safety" section there is a paragraph about oversized riders, that i just think isnt right and is just rude. I have so many issues with it, and i have sent them a email about it. {Awaiting a response}

Here is the article and think link if you would like to read it.

Overweight and out of shape - Riding is an athletic sport which demands good muscles and a trim body for the best results. Those who feel that it should be like sitting on a motor cycle should stick to motor cycles. A rider who is overweight cannot perform as well because he puts more stress on the same muscles if he is 20 lbs. overweight. If he falls, an injury is more likely because the greater weight puts more stress on the same bones. It goes without saying that extra lbs. make a huge difference to the horse. Look how jockeys struggle over a pound and what a little extra weight does to the speed of a race horse. Overweight people do not like to recognize the importance of weight and fitness in horse safety.

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post #2 of 21 Old 01-11-2012, 09:42 PM
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Lets have a look at this

Overweight and out of shape - Riding is an athletic sport which demands good muscles and a trim body for the best results.

Can't really argue with that, the better athlete the rider is, the better the horse can perform

Those who feel that it should be like sitting on a motor cycle should stick to motor cycles.

Probably true, there is a world of difference between a bike and a horse

A rider who is overweight cannot perform as well because he puts more stress on the same muscles if he is 20 lbs. Overweight.

Again probably quite true

If he falls, an injury is more likely because the greater weight puts more stress on the same bones.

Never sure about this one, could also argue that better padding would protect a rider, well at that point a faller.

It goes without saying that extra lbs. Make a huge difference to the horse. Look how jockeys struggle over a pound and what a little extra weight does to the speed of a race horse.

Also true, that's why they handicap racehorses by adding weight

Overweight people do not like to recognize the importance of weight and fitness in horse safety.

To be honest this is the only bit that I have an issue with.

But, I do have some sympathy with stables that rent horses and do holiday packages, the horses work hard and long, quite often the riders aren't that experienced, and putting a weight limit on is only sensible.



Before anyone shouts, remember that I am myself a BIG rider
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I dont care for the fact of it sounds like it was written by a random somebody. But we do have to face the facts that we do put our horses in a potenatlly dangerous spot- But we all know the extend of our horses as well.

So conclusion: It's not dangerous. Its only dangerous if your a novice.
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I have to agree that the person that wrote the article is clearly not a professional of any sort, and therefor it's nothing more then an opinion. IMO anyway.
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I wrote in red :)

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Lets have a look at this

Overweight and out of shape - Riding is an athletic sport which demands good muscles and a trim body for the best results.

Can't really argue with that, the better athlete the rider is, the better the horse can perform

I am a overweight but i ride just as good, if not better then some of the tiny girls at my barn. I just think people who see big thighs, big arms, big waist think its all 100% fat, it could be all muscle and just abigger boned person. I feel it depends on the rider and there own muscle as well as their horses insted of just a overweight rider. Plus bigger riders have a better seat lol

Those who feel that it should be like sitting on a motor cycle should stick to motor cycles.

Probably true, there is a world of difference between a bike and a horse

A motor cycle seat is really tiny, if someone thinks their horses is like riding on a motorcycle then its def 100% to small. I just think they way they are saying this isnt right.

A rider who is overweight cannot perform as well because he puts more stress on the same muscles if he is 20 lbs. Overweight.

Again probably quite true
Some overweight riders are a bit more of a "Heavy rider" but i think it goes along with experience and muscle under the "extra-love" As well as skinny riders not having the muscle to perform as well.

If he falls, an injury is more likely because the greater weight puts more stress on the same bones.

Never sure about this one, could also argue that better padding would protect a rider, well at that point a faller.

I think this is completely wrong, i mean bigger riders have something to fall on..."natural padding" lol as with skinny riders, snap like a twig comes to mind. It really depends on the fall/angle and speed when falling, of the fall then the weight of the rider.

It goes without saying that extra lbs. Make a huge difference to the horse. Look how jockeys struggle over a pound and what a little extra weight does to the speed of a race horse.

Also true, that's why they handicap racehorses by adding weight
If they are racing in a derby i could understand, but unless they are renting out horses to race on the tracks i dont think they should have said this part, most of their stuff is trail riding, beach riding and just easy play. The race horse riders are allowed 114 pounds i think? on a horse that could easily take much bigger rider if they were just regular riding instead of "haulin ass" you know?

Overweight people do not like to recognize the importance of weight and fitness in horse safety.

To be honest this is the only bit that I have an issue with.
But, I do have some sympathy with stables that rent horses and do holiday packages, the horses work hard and long, quite often the riders aren't that experienced, and putting a weight limit on is only sensible.

Overweight riders take alot of care into their and other peoples horses they ride, they should know the limits of riders/horses weight. If they are ignoring their size compared to a horse they shouldnt be riding to begin with, probly arent a equestrian-ist(is that a word?) and im sure someone would/will bring it to their attention quit fast.

I do agree that stables that rent out horses to ride for a hour or week trips should def check and make sure about weight limits, but they should also have horses to accomidate a riders size...[unless they are 300 pounds +] which i havent seen anyone over 250 ride a horse, let alone any sports..

Before anyone shouts, remember that I am myself a BIG rider
No shouting here, I am too :)

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I dont care for the fact of it sounds like it was written by a random somebody. But we do have to face the facts that we do put our horses in a potenatlly dangerous spot- But we all know the extend of our horses as well.

So conclusion: It's not dangerous. Its only dangerous if your a novice.
I agree.
Most riders do understand the size of themselves compared to what the horse can take and be comfortable. I completely agree, dangerous for a novice but i just think its common sense "Whoops my butts to big for this horse" you know?

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Being a plus sized rider, I've run into this on vacations. If you explain to them that you are an active and current rider, this is usually waived unless you happen to be bigger than the equipment or horses they have available. If they only have 16" western saddles, I can do it. If I needed a 17, they wouldn't be able to accommodate me. If all they had were say...Paso Finos, I know I would feel uncomfortable riding something small and slightly built.

These types of disclaimers are written for the overweight crowd on vacation who thinks it would (and is) fun to just pull and kick and gallop along while being significantly overweight with no 'riders muscles'. At 5'8" and 225#, I am a good, balanced and dare I say light rider. A person my same size who has never ridden before would feel twice the weight to a horse.
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I have to say I agree. But I did ride my horse at 290 lbs (no longer weigh that). I posted a terrible pic of me and him on the "if you dare" thread. I was a terrible rider, but my horse didn't have a problem carring me. I have since learned the error of my bad seat and riding.



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I have see a lot of skinny people fall and get real bang up so the last part does not make sense
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post #10 of 21 Old 01-12-2012, 12:30 AM
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Back again with my thoughts again in green.

Look, I totally understand why you are upset with the statement, but all I'm saying is that it's difficult to challenge the truth of it.




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Lets have a look at this

Overweight and out of shape - Riding is an athletic sport which demands good muscles and a trim body for the best results.

Can't really argue with that, the better athlete the rider is, the better the horse can perform

I am a overweight but I ride just as good, if not better then some of the tiny girls at my barn. I just think people who see big thighs, big arms, big waist think its all 100% fat, it could be all muscle and just abigger boned person. I feel it depends on the rider and there own muscle as well as their horses insted of just a overweight rider. Plus bigger riders have a better seat lol

But the quote says trim body and good muscles for the BEST result, and be fair to actually do well at a sport both horse and rider should be fit athletes, and they are more likely to be that if they are both near their optimum weight.

Those who feel that it should be like sitting on a motor cycle should stick to motor cycles.

Probably true, there is a world of difference between a bike and a horse

A motor cycle seat is really tiny, if someone thinks their horses is like riding on a motorcycle then its def 100% to small. I just think they way they are saying this isnt right.

May not be right, but again it's true, you try riding a bike without steering, you'll soon be in trouble, a horse will find its own way

A rider who is overweight cannot perform as well because he puts more stress on the same muscles if he is 20 lbs. Overweight.

Again probably quite true
Some overweight riders are a bit more of a "Heavy rider" but I think it goes along with experience and muscle under the "extra-love" As well as skinny riders not having the muscle to perform as well.

I have no issue that a heavier better balanced rider is easier on a horse than a small unbalanced one, but again you can probably prove that 20 pounds makes a difference in muscle performance

If he falls, an injury is more likely because the greater weight puts more stress on the same bones.

Never sure about this one, could also argue that better padding would protect a rider, well at that point a faller.

I think this is completely wrong, I mean bigger riders have something to fall on..."natural padding" lol as with skinny riders, snap like a twig comes to mind. It really depends on the fall/angle and speed when falling, of the fall then the weight of the rider.

It goes without saying that extra lbs. Make a huge difference to the horse. Look how jockeys struggle over a pound and what a little extra weight does to the speed of a race horse.

Also true, that's why they handicap racehorses by adding weight
If they are racing in a derby I could understand, but unless they are renting out horses to race on the tracks I dont think they should have said this part, most of their stuff is trail riding, beach riding and just easy play. The race horse riders are allowed 114 pounds I think? On a horse that could easily take much bigger rider if they were just regular riding instead of "haulin ass" you know?

But again you can't say that their statement is lying at all

Overweight people do not like to recognize the importance of weight and fitness in horse safety.

To be honest this is the only bit that I have an issue with.
But, I do have some sympathy with stables that rent horses and do holiday packages, the horses work hard and long, quite often the riders aren't that experienced, and putting a weight limit on is only sensible.

Overweight riders take alot of care into their and other peoples horses they ride, they should know the limits of riders/horses weight. If they are ignoring their size compared to a horse they shouldnt be riding to begin with, probly arent a equestrian-ist(is that a word?) and I'm sure someone would/will bring it to their attention quit fast.

Not every overweight rider takes such care I'm afraid, which is what stables are guarding against

I do agree that stables that rent out horses to ride for a hour or week trips should def check and make sure about weight limits, but they should also have horses to accomidate a riders size...[unless they are 300 pounds +] which I havent seen anyone over 250 ride a horse, let alone any sports..

Then you need to come and see me ride, I'm certainly over 250 pounds, and if you look around there are a lot of 250 pound + riders out there, in all disciplines, but we choose our horses carefully and take care of them.

It comes down to economics, the cost of feeding and housing bigger horses makes them not the most economic of choices, and again not like a pleasure rider, these guys are working, doing lots of hours with many different riders.


Before anyone shouts, remember that I am myself a BIG rider
No shouting here, I am too :)

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