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        03-17-2014, 10:33 PM
      #71
    Trained
    Why should 20% apply? It wasn't developed for recreational riding use. Why should I believe all three of my horses are ridden by too heavy riders when there is no sign whatsoever that it is true? If Mia finds me too heavy at 24%, she sure has hidden it...for over 5 years!
         
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        03-18-2014, 03:08 AM
      #72
    Trained
    The 20% rule is not a rule, it is a widely held but really unproven figure, a bit like the 8 glasses of water a day.

    And as we have seen from other threads, some people consider that a short obese person even at 20% is considered a worse choice than a normally proportioned person who may be nearer 30%.

    If the research done on the horses competing in the Tevis cup is sound, then horses can carry up to 30% in the most testing of conditions without any measurable harm. Remember that these horses will have carried that weight over many miles of conditioning as well as the race proper.

    SOME horses will only be able to carry 20%, some more some less.

    I also refute that horses were designed to pull, I do not believe that either God or natural selection designed the horse to do any more than graze and try not to get eaten. Once man became involved in the selection process we then produced horses to pull, to run fast, to ride, to carry knights in armour, we also produced the halter horse which appears to have no function apart from look pretty. Lots of different shapes and types of horse, some better at being ridden than others, some better at weight carrying than others.
         
        03-25-2014, 12:45 AM
      #73
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    The 20% rule is not a rule, it is a widely held but really unproven figure, a bit like the 8 glasses of water a day.

    And as we have seen from other threads, some people consider that a short obese person even at 20% is considered a worse choice than a normally proportioned person who may be nearer 30%.

    If the research done on the horses competing in the Tevis cup is sound, then horses can carry up to 30% in the most testing of conditions without any measurable harm. Remember that these horses will have carried that weight over many miles of conditioning as well as the race proper.

    SOME horses will only be able to carry 20%, some more some less.

    I also refute that horses were designed to pull, I do not believe that either God or natural selection designed the horse to do any more than graze and try not to get eaten. Once man became involved in the selection process we then produced horses to pull, to run fast, to ride, to carry knights in armour, we also produced the halter horse which appears to have no function apart from look pretty. Lots of different shapes and types of horse, some better at being ridden than others, some better at weight carrying than others.

    All of us plus size riders should unite and thoroughly test the weight ratio and it's impacts on different builds of horses, then develop a breed of horse that will be healthy and carry weight optimally. FOR SCIENCE.
         
        03-25-2014, 12:02 PM
      #74
    Started
    "All of us plus size riders should unite and thoroughly test the weight ratio and it's impacts on different builds of horses, then develop a breed of horse that will be healthy and carry weight optimally. FOR SCIENCE"

    Someone has done that. I think the critter's name is Harley. : )
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        03-25-2014, 05:08 PM
      #75
    Green Broke
    Neither myself or hubby are light weights,but not to the size of the people pictured. But IMO that man on the grey .. No. To large. And if it was my horse, there would be no way.
    The lady well, only if doing lite riding like a walk, unless she knows how to balance well, her horses appear to be stouter and larger.
         
        03-25-2014, 07:39 PM
      #76
    Showing
    When horses were being enlisted for WW1, many came off huge land grants
    and weren't rider fit. A team of veterinarians came up with the 20% rule to be fair to these horses. Keep in mind most men then were maybe 5'8 on average and slim. Add all their gear and they'd be close to what was felt ideal. The thing is a horse's back has a relative small strength bearing area for the length of it's back. Ideally, the rider's body should be easily contained within this area and not spread out fore and aft. This is why horses can carry a heavier rider that fits fairly well within that area. For those who think the horse may not be uncomfortable or in pain and await a response to tell you so, it many never happen. Horses block out pain, a gift nature gave them to survive predator attack. The weak or lame are the ones that get picked out and become dinner.
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        03-25-2014, 11:43 PM
      #77
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    For those who think the horse may not be uncomfortable or in pain and await a response to tell you so, it many never happen.
    I've seen more than a few drama queens over the years that might disprove that.

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    "Owww owww, my foot hurts, ouchie... Hey, someone look at me? I'm standing here in the corner of the arena and my rider is ignoring me despite the fact I'm clearly favouring one leg. HELLOOOO....? Someone take pity on me and put me back in my nice warm stall with my hay, would ya? I know you just got on and I haven't actually even broke a sweat yet, but c'mon. I promise I'll keep the act up at least as far as the door to the arena, but if I suddenly then prance like a lipizzaner all the way to my stall it's just because I'm excited for my hay and those treats I smelled in your pocket that you were planning to give me, OK?"
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        03-26-2014, 07:04 AM
      #78
    Green Broke
    I had an Arab/Appy/ QH gelding that was a real drama queen. But he was so talented & had so much training that is was worth working through his issues.
         
        03-26-2014, 04:44 PM
      #79
    Showing
    Pilot, I was speaking in generalities. I've seen sore horses seem sound when ridden by children yet cannot deal with the weight of a heavier rider. Each has it's breaking point of tolerance.
         
        03-27-2014, 01:22 PM
      #80
    Trained
    My gelding is definitely a drama queen. The pony not so much, you have to be a very aware rider to realize when she isn't comfortable.
         

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