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    10-19-2012, 06:17 AM
  #71
Green Broke
Even though this is in the plus size riders but I'm not plus sized, I'm going to pipe in. The 20 to 25% of the horses weight rule is a guideline. Saying a horse could not carry weight over 250 lbs even for a for a few minutes is sooo wrong. It may not be the best but it does happen.

I am around 175 myself. I've rode double with my wife which puts the amount over 300, especially with the saddle. That was on her 950 lb arab. Of course we only walked, no trotting, running or jumping but he did fine.

We have a friend that rode my wife's horse and she was around 350 lbs. That was during a trail ride, up and down hills. He never was lame or even sore after the ride.

Another time, we had another rider, who definitely weighs more than my wife, lose her horse on a ride. The horse she was on decided to roll in a dirt field and she let go of the horse when she got off. The horse got up and ran back home. I had her hop on my horse, a 1100 lb 15.3 hh QH mare, and we rode back home double just fine.

So, Dr Deb's statements posted by Sahara, are just her opinions to me. A horse carrying 250 or more can, does and will happen. If it is for an easy ride and depending on the horse, I see no problem with it. I wouldn't recommend it on a small horse or for jumping or running.
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    10-19-2012, 09:06 AM
  #72
Foal
Of course a horse CAN carry more than 20% of its ideal bodyweight. Whether it SHOULD is another matter entirely. The one off examples you give are fine, as they are one offs. But I doubt you would want to work either of your horses double all of the time, even at low speeds. I'm sure I could carry a 56lb rucksack for an hour or so as a one off with no detrimental effects, but if I had to do it every day, there would doubtless be damage eventually.
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    10-19-2012, 09:37 AM
  #73
Yearling
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Originally Posted by usandpets    
Even though this is in the plus size riders but I'm not plus sized, I'm going to pipe in. The 20 to 25% of the horses weight rule is a guideline. Saying a horse could not carry weight over 250 lbs even for a for a few minutes is sooo wrong. It may not be the best but it does happen.

I am around 175 myself. I've rode double with my wife which puts the amount over 300, especially with the saddle. That was on her 950 lb arab. Of course we only walked, no trotting, running or jumping but he did fine.

We have a friend that rode my wife's horse and she was around 350 lbs. That was during a trail ride, up and down hills. He never was lame or even sore after the ride.

Another time, we had another rider, who definitely weighs more than my wife, lose her horse on a ride. The horse she was on decided to roll in a dirt field and she let go of the horse when she got off. The horse got up and ran back home. I had her hop on my horse, a 1100 lb 15.3 hh QH mare, and we rode back home double just fine.

So, Dr Deb's statements posted by Sahara, are just her opinions to me. A horse carrying 250 or more can, does and will happen. If it is for an easy ride and depending on the horse, I see no problem with it. I wouldn't recommend it on a small horse or for jumping or running.
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Of course a horse CAN carry over 250 lbs. I don't think that is the question. You have to read what Dr. Bennett writes within the intended context. She uses her horses. An occasional ride is far different from daily schooling. I think we can all appreciate that. She is writing under the assumption that all horses are used frequently for whatever discipline. She isn't referring to the 10 minute once a month rider (which is probably worse than one who rides more frequently). Any horse that carries over 250 lbs for any amount of time is going to sustain some type of damage/injury/strain. Is that damage/injury/strain going to be immediately obvious or will it be a "silent" injury that worsens over time? Who knows. That is the crux of what is being offered.

She is postulating that no horse should carry over 250 lbs in an effort to keep the horse healthy and sound for its lifetime. Can they carry over 250? Yes. Should they? No - not if you want them to be usable their entire working lifetime. Are people going to use them to carry over 250 lbs? Yes. If that is your choice then be proactive and choose a weight carrying horse, condition the horse carefully, provide properly fitted tack, pay close attention to respiration, have frequent vet/chiro visits.

This has nothing to do with "fat-bashing" or discrimination. People ask this question all the time and a ton of anecdotal advice gets thrown at them. There is very little research on the actual topic. Dr. Bennett has spent a lifetime studying equines, if she isn't qualified to address the topic then I don't know who is. Until further studies are published, her educated guess is the most thought out, reasonable standard we have available.

Human beings have and always will do whatever they want despite what conventional wisdom tells them.
     
    10-19-2012, 09:55 AM
  #74
Showing
Weighing down an animal with an improper rider for its size will of course affect its back, joints, and muscles. But then, ANY physical activity is going to cause wear and tear.

I don't see people not jumping their horses, although that's one of the main causes of leg injuries. I also don't see them not racing, even though that puts unnatural strain on the entire animal's body.

Face it, even human athletes break down over time. Once you start using your body and/or an animal for athletic endeavors, there's going to be some kind of damage.

Sure, we should all do what we can to minimize unnatural wear and tear, but unless everyone just stops riding and only has horses as pasture ornaments some physical issues are just a part of normal usage.
     
    10-19-2012, 09:59 AM
  #75
Green Broke
I find th person who started this thread inconsiderate and rude.

First, you ask how much people weigh.. and what type of horse they ride..

Then you tell them they are too big for there horse.. I bet this people take great care of there horses..

EVERYONE that has posted pictures of them on their horses looks amazing:)

Now for EMS1(or whatever sorry) I think that you need to quit while your ahead.. You know nothing about this obviously.. your opinion isnt going to change anything..

IMO. Sorry if I am being rude.. JMHO
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    10-19-2012, 10:41 AM
  #76
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some physical issues are just a part of normal usage.
I agree with everything you posted. I think this is where we start entering the gray area: What is "normal usage"? Go above normal usage and those same physical issues are going to be worse, right? Which is why we have arrived at the 250lb. Cut off?

I think if you turn around the statement "no horse should carry over 250 lbs" and rephrase it with "generally, riding horses between 900-1300 lbs can safely carry up to 250 lbs", fewer people would take such offense to it? The phrase loses its exclusivity, and allows some wiggle room, perhaps?
     
    10-19-2012, 10:49 AM
  #77
Showing
Yes, to state unequivocally that, 'no horse should EVER carry a rider over 250 pounds', doesn't take many other things into consideration.

I've seen some 110 pound women I wouldn't let up on my horses because they're horribly unbalanced and will cause undue stress and strain on the animal, not to mention annoy the heck out of them! There are also some people who may be just a skosh over 'optimum' weight, but who are light, quiet riders. Guess which ones I'll allow on one of my animals?

There are rarely cut and dried, black and white answers in life, and riding horses is no exception. Just because someone thinks fatties shouldn't be allowed on horses because it hurts their delicate sensibilities to see someone they deem unattractive and unfit, doesn't mean that person isn't a good rider or that they're hurting their animal.

Common sense needs to play a role in riding but that goes for everyone, not just the people who are carrying extra weight. My belief is that the women shrieking the loudest about the 'fatties' are secretly worried they themselves are going to look that way some day. We hate what we fear.
     
    10-19-2012, 11:12 AM
  #78
Weanling
Ugh double post again. Wtheck??
     
    10-19-2012, 11:14 AM
  #79
Weanling
GOOD POST SPEED RACER! Totally spot on.

I can't speak for everyone else here, but I don't dump thousands of dollars into my horses every year to have them sit around.

I wonder what would happen to these horses that are packing around more than 250#s...if you were to suddenly implement a weight restriction on horse ownership? A LOT of people/ horses would be affected by this nonsense.


Before moving to the midwest,I worked for the man who built the ponderosa ranch attraction park.. They had one big bay QH gelding who had spent the majority of his younger years hauling around heavier tourists ( he was retired to their ranchette where I worked when the trail rides closed) on the trails around incline village and lake tahoe.... when I went to work for these people, this horse was a documented 38 years old (didnt look past 20), and he was still being ridden lightly by the ranch owners wife. He had some mild arthritis, but other that he was a spry old guy. Last I talked to her( last october) he was still kicking, albiet he was in full retirement by that time... and this is a good 8 years AFTER I had started working for them so the horse was at least 46 last I heard.

And that is all after spending many many years hauling around people who had NO IDEA how to ride.. My point is, is these blanket statements are stupid, andnot all horses are created equal:)
     
    10-19-2012, 11:32 AM
  #80
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Yes, to state unequivocally that, 'no horse should EVER carry a rider over 250 pounds', doesn't take many other things into consideration.

I've seen some 110 pound women I wouldn't let up on my horses because they're horribly unbalanced and will cause undue stress and strain on the animal, not to mention annoy the heck out of them! There are also some people who may be just a skosh over 'optimum' weight, but who are light, quiet riders. Guess which ones I'll allow on one of my animals?

There are rarely cut and dried, black and white answers in life, and riding horses is no exception. Just because someone thinks fatties shouldn't be allowed on horses because it hurts their delicate sensibilities to see someone they deem unattractive and unfit, doesn't mean that person isn't a good rider or that they're hurting their animal.

Common sense needs to play a role in riding but that goes for everyone, not just the people who are carrying extra weight. My belief is that the women shrieking the loudest about the 'fatties' are secretly worried they themselves are going to look that way some day. We hate what we fear.

I believe that you should get a post of the day award for this post! SO well put!
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