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post #1 of 52 Old 11-16-2012, 04:10 AM Thread Starter
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I have to Ask! Plus Sized riders + Arabians = ?

I have heard so many mixed reviews on this. And I have had a bad experience where I bought a arabian stallion, he was a bigger built arab, 15.1 around 1200 lbs. Well long story short the trainer/seller screwed us over. But he had a issue with my weight from the start, and even tho he was "training" me to start western pleasure i was never allowed to ride this horse. Needless to say we do not have him as a trainer or that horse anymore. but since then I have been real worried about riding arabians...even tho i've heard mixed reviews on them carrying a plus sized rider. I've been riding my entire life, barrel racing trail riding, mostly speed events in highschool (when i was thinner of course) but medical issues have helped me gain weight. I'm trying to loose but i have another arabian stallion in training, he is 3 currently about 1000 lbs (crabbet ). My trainer says i have great balance and that even at my weight he will be able to carry me easily. But i still have my doubt, and i dont think my trainer is worried about business or losing my business by telling me that he cannot carry me, cause she also trains me on my 16h Quarter Horse who is built like a tank so she knows i would stay to work with him either way....I want honest opinions on what others think I suppose.. I attached a picture of my Arab stallion! I love him to death...he has the best personality and i really connected with him. We got him as a 3 year old and he had never been handled before. 6 months later he follows me around like a puppy and will do just about anything....gosh such a long post >.<
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post #2 of 52 Old 11-16-2012, 06:43 AM
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Hi Miss Ally! I'm sure there are lots of folks on here that can give you some very good advice, but without knowing specifically about you and your weight, its going to be hard for them to advise you. Not trying to make you uncomfortable if you are leery of posting information, but its hard to judge an unknown factor. Have a great day!
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post #3 of 52 Old 11-16-2012, 07:35 AM
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I like to stick to the 20% rule. You and your tack should be under 20% of the horses weight.

That bring said....
1. We don't know how much you weigh
2. You did say the trainer had a bias about your weight
3. Since the horse was in training and you were learning its possible he didn't want to put two greenies together
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post #4 of 52 Old 11-16-2012, 10:06 AM
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Your horse is beautiful, but young & he's a stallion?!? Are you competing? trail riding? Doing short or long rides? There are a number of variables to bring into the equation to give a sane answer.
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post #5 of 52 Old 11-16-2012, 10:20 AM
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Hi MissAlly
I agree with what was said so far. Plus, your horse still has some growing and maturing to do, so many variables.
Along with the 20% rule there is another way of calculating the weight carrying ability.
Weight of the horse+ weight of the rider+ tack : circumference of midcannonbone : 2
If this comes out under 75 you're good to go, anything over 80 is too little horse.
I've seen reports from endurance riders who are way over the 20% and still do 100 miles competitively, as obviously fitness of the horse is a big factor.

So, with a little more info on you and the horse, good conformation shots for starters, we can tell you more
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post #6 of 52 Old 11-16-2012, 01:26 PM Thread Starter
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Oh no i am not shy! We do plan on doing some conditioning on him before i ever do any serious riding on him since he is only 3 years old. I'm wanting to start western pleasure and maybe some costume. No Endurance or anything like that for me. I'm about 260-290 my weight goes up and down thx to a few health issues but working on keeping it down. i'm about 5'8 and Romeo we believe is about 1000 lbs now, but we haven't done a accurate count or anything. Right now he is at a trainer and he is about 180, then another trainer is going to start riding him soon and he is a bigger guy (tall mostly) who is about 220, so we are trying to condition him and much sure he gets nice and strong to carry my big butt someday!
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Oh no i am not shy! We do plan on doing some conditioning on him before i ever do any serious riding on him since he is only 3 years old. I'm wanting to start western pleasure and maybe some costume. No Endurance or anything like that for me. I'm about 260-290 my weight goes up and down thx to a few health issues but working on keeping it down. i'm about 5'8 and Romeo we believe is about 1000 lbs now, but we haven't done a accurate count or anything. Right now he is at a trainer and he is about 180, then another trainer is going to start riding him soon and he is a bigger guy (tall mostly) who is about 220, so we are trying to condition him and much sure he gets nice and strong to carry my big butt someday!
In my opinion 270 lbs (19 stone) is much too much for an arab to carry, I have never seen an arab, or actually any horse (but they may exist) who I would allow that weight on.
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Oh no i am not shy! We do plan on doing some conditioning on him before i ever do any serious riding on him since he is only 3 years old. I'm wanting to start western pleasure and maybe some costume. No Endurance or anything like that for me. I'm about 260-290 my weight goes up and down thx to a few health issues but working on keeping it down. i'm about 5'8 and Romeo we believe is about 1000 lbs now, but we haven't done a accurate count or anything. Right now he is at a trainer and he is about 180, then another trainer is going to start riding him soon and he is a bigger guy (tall mostly) who is about 220, so we are trying to condition him and much sure he gets nice and strong to carry my big butt someday!
You're going to run into as many with as much bias against heavy people riding on here as your previous trainer had. If your horse is not having a hard time balancing when carrying you, doesn't have a sore back when you get off and isn't huffing and puffing when the quarter horses aren't, then you're fine. A 15+ hand Arab has more than enough bone and stamina to carry a pretty hefty load. Take it easy on him for the next 2 years and really get him in condition with lots of muscles and you'll be fine. It's only recently that people started thinking they needed 16+ hand horses to carry them around, in history most of those really big horses were used for hauling and pulling, not riding.

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Okay, let's do the math
1000lbs horse + 180lbs current trainer + 45 lbs tack = 1225lbs : 8(circumference of midcannin he should have due to his height) = 153.125 : 2 = 76.56
Okay, but not optimal.
1000+220+45:8:2= 79.06
Still okay but pushing it a bit
1000+260+45:8:2 = 81.56
So, without exactly knowing all measurements, like tack and cannonbone, you would have to find ways to reduce the overall weight, lighter tack, for example(cordura saddle instead of leather, no heavy pad, just a blanket, for example.
Plus it would be interesting how he is built, like length of back, loin area, narrow or wide in chest to start with.
I am in the same boat, having a small guy with 14.2, but very short and close coupled.
That's why im naturally interested
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. A 15+ hand Arab has more than enough bone and stamina to carry a pretty hefty load. .
Some Arabs have enough bone for a hefty load, but many modern finer ones simply don't. The OP's one looks fine but is obviously young. Some Arabs can carry a hefty load, but really should they have to carry such a heavy load simply for the rider's pleasure? No animal should struggle, there are other bigger boned animals more suitable.

Rule of thumb in the UK as far as usually discussed. - 20% of 1000lbs is 200lbs. Which would be fine.

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