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        11-17-2012, 08:24 AM
      #21
    Green Broke
    Examples of what they do in war an trade is very valid. These were situations where peoples lively hood an life depended on that horse staying sound. I think someone who's life depends on a horse not going lame probably has a better grasp on reality than a pony club arena rider that spends more time gossiping and looking down their noses at what label is stitched on the bum of someones riding tights than they do in the saddle.
         
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        11-17-2012, 08:54 AM
      #22
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Clava    
    No, but they don't deserve an incredibly heavy weight inflicted upon them either. Just because a horse can carry such a weight does not mean we should make them do so. Just get a bigger horse!

    ..there are loads of examples of horses that have incredible weight carrying abilitites such as Highlands and Icelandics, but they are exceptions and treated accordingly, the average small horse and fine boned arab cannot take 19 stone people without some damage.

    Just because a horse is bigger does not mean it is more capable of carrying a load on its back. Its all about bone density versus mass. The Icelandic you mentioned is much more capable of carrying a heavy load than is a draft horse.

    Most "light" breeds, which were bred specifically as saddle horses, are better designed to carry weight than "big" draft horses. My 1000lb arab easily carries 180lb over literally a 100 miles of trail in a day. I find it hard to believe she would have trouble with 280lb over 3 miles.

    I think the individual horse in question needs to be looked at in terms of the amount of weight it can carry safely. A 1200 lb QH with post legs, a straight shoulder and tiny feet would have a lot more trouble carrying weight (of any kind) than a smaller horse with appropriate conformation.
         
        11-17-2012, 09:13 AM
      #23
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by phantomhorse13    
    Just because a horse is bigger does not mean it is more capable of carrying a load on its back. Its all about bone density versus mass. The Icelandic you mentioned is much more capable of carrying a heavy load than is a draft horse.
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    I didn't say it did and gave the said examples, but generally a bigger horse with bigger bone will carry a heavier weight. We have heavy weight hunter types who are used for carrying heavier riders. Clydesdales cross are a draft breed but also good weight carriers and an Irish Draft with at least 9" bone and good short backed conformation, but not a young lightweight arab. Arabs have incredible stamina and will try their hardest for you, but the average ones these days are often fine and will suffer with 19stone on them in my opinion. Many horses struggle at 17 stone and you would have to look for a big boned well formed horse to carry that size.
         
        11-17-2012, 09:17 AM
      #24
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Joe4d    
    examples of what they do in war an trade is very valid. These were situations where peoples lively hood an life depended on that horse staying sound. I think someone who's life depends on a horse not going lame probably has a better grasp on reality than a pony club arena rider that spends more time gossiping and looking down their noses at what label is stitched on the bum of someones riding tights than they do in the saddle.
    But we are not in life and death situation now so horses do not need to be treated as if we are. Staying sound isn't everything, there are other welfare aspects.

    I have no idea about pony club arena riders and gossipping but will take your word for it.
         
        11-17-2012, 11:13 AM
      #25
    Started
    I think the 20% rule is a good one. I love Arabs...had 'em for over 40 years. Maybe an Arab cross might be a better choice. Arab/QH, Arab/Appy, Arab/Saddlebred? Nice horses with more substance.
    I know there is bias against larger riders and it's hard to deal with at times. I think we help ourselves and our horses by not riding a too small horse. I have seen some riders on a horse that truly made me cringe (and actually angry) and other larger riders on a suitable mount and thought, "Good for you! Have a great ride."
    Here is where I am apt to get myself into trouble...Why do you want a stallion?
    Geldings and mares make good partners and are accepted into activities where a group is involved. Unless one is into a serious and quality breeding program I question a stallion for the average rider. I could go on but will stop with that. I would like to remain with this group.
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        11-17-2012, 11:16 AM
      #26
    Trained
    Well, taking other welfare aspects into consideration, apart from staying sound with carrying weight.....you really shouldn't canter your horse, assuming it is you and your horse, all his weight PLUS yours is on one leg only, repeatedly. I'd say trot, or even better, walk only............
    Sounds stupid and unreasonable? Well, but it's taking animal welfare first.

    As for Golden's mare, I would really like to know the circumference of her cannonbone, and calculate with the method I posted. Which, by the way, DOESNT favour a heavier horse. Quite the opposite.

    And another.....icelandics...as for not extreme work.......they do pace and toelt race speed, with adult riders, and the really fast ones are really fineboned and light.

    So, to sum it all up........it all depends........
    On type of horse, ability of rider, breed of horse, amount of work, type of work, condition of horse.
    And for the welfare aspect, I don't think anybody here on this forum would knowingly and ignorantly overwork or overload a horse, welfare laws in place or not.
         
        11-17-2012, 11:40 AM
      #27
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    

    As for Golden's mare, I would really like to know the circumference of her cannonbone, and calculate with the method I posted. Which, by the way, DOESNT favour a heavier horse. Quite the opposite.
    Ask and ye shall receive:

    Real life examples.

    Big Ben, he weighs in a 1386 pounds, stands 16.2 hh and change, on 9" of bone, and is in hard condition.

    Using the % method I'm at 23% which I think is fine for the small amount I ask him to do.

    Using the calculation I am at a horrific 94. Time to find a new horse, but certainly makes you think about his ability.

    Willow there, 28% by weight and scoring 96 on the scale, so a couple of points to the worse as expected.

    Emmy though, 30% by weight, but 88.8 by calculation.

    That makes sense to me, Emmy is more compact and on a better density and weight of bone. She is also overweight, lets say 100 pounds......

    If Emmy lost her 100 pounds, she would then weigh 996, if we look at % weight carrying, then the new % would be 32% moving to the worse..

    But by the calculation we would come out at 82.25, reflecting that by her losing weight she would overall be supporting less weight.

    So If Emmy loses 100 and I lose 50 we will be able to ROCK IT
         
        11-17-2012, 12:07 PM
      #28
    Trained
    That's exactly my point

    I do agree with the stallion issue, tho. As nice and tempting it may be to say I own an Arab stallion, if he doesn't do what nature intended for him to do, run with his herd of mares, or at least one "wife", he will not be happy. He will never have a social life, will never play and be a " horse", and will have trouble finding board at times, not to mention problems handling, and be it just the barn caretaker who has no clue and is afraid.
         
        11-17-2012, 08:50 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clava    
    an Irish Draft with at least 9" bone ... Arabs have incredible stamina and will try their hardest for you, but the average ones these days are often fine
    My 1000lb arab has 8" cannons, not at all uncommon for a performance-bred arab.

    It's all about the individual.
         
        11-17-2012, 08:57 PM
      #30
    Trained
    My little Arab, 900lbs, 8" cannonbone. My QH mare, 15.2hh, 1200lbs, 9" cannonbone.

    So, a 16hh(at least), 9" cannonbone Irish Draught is not necessarily stronger than the mentioned QH or Arab.
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