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        11-18-2012, 05:59 AM
      #31
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by phantomhorse13    
    My 1000lb arab has 8" cannons, not at all uncommon for a performance-bred arab.

    It's all about the individual.

    It is about the individual. My tb has 8" of bone, but no way would I put a heavy weight on her. 8" isn't that much.


    And yes, a 16hh ID may not be strong enough with 9" of bone but that would be a starting point rather than a small, fine arab for such an extreme weight.
         
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        11-18-2012, 06:33 AM
      #32
    Weanling
    I think we should stop being sensitive about weight completely, and just be completely realistic.
    Horses are often very stoic creatures (they can't really show weakness in the wild can they?) And may not show pain even when feeling it.
    So a lot of riders are saying, I'm prob technically too heavy, but my horse doesn't show pain so it must be alright.
    Which it may likely not be.
    Even though the 20 percent rule is outdated, I think its vital we have some sort of 'rule'.
    Wear and tear on a horse may not show now, but will come up later in life... Or maybe only a few years down the line. Arthritis etc.
    Just as we take care of our bodies so we don't have problems later, we should be strict about taking care of their too.
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        11-18-2012, 06:52 AM
      #33
    Yearling
    GoldenHorse has showed just how conflicting these 'rules' can be.

    IMHO, there is no rule that can be applied to every rider and every horse. I'm a heavy rider myself at 260lbs, and I am making myself very aware about the sort of horse that can carry my weight. There may be some breeds that are better suited and some that are not, but in general, so long as you keep in consideration the conformation of the horse and your own size, you can find a horse that is capable.

    I would feel comfortable riding a fit, more solid, well put together 15HHish Arabian at a walk and some trotting for around 30 minutes a few times a week. I would feel the same about a lanky 16HH Clydesdale cross. I would never even consider cantering or jumping either of them.

    It really comes down to thinking of the welfare of the horse in a sensible manner. Horses have adapted over centuries to become weight bearers, so this doesn't mean don't ride them if you're over 200lbs. It means don't ride the fine boned 12HH pony if you weigh over 200lbs.

    OP, it's really hard to offer advice without a conformation shot of your boy. From what I can see, and if he doesn't fill out any more, I'd advise that you may too big for him. By what I see there, I would be VERY reluctant to get on him. If you could get your weight to down below 250, then maybe consider it once he's muscled up a lot.
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        11-18-2012, 11:03 AM
      #34
    Weanling
    Personally I'm not saying larger riders should not ride, or that there are no exceptions to the rule.

    I just think we have to err on the safe side and be very aware, because of the stoic nature of horses who will sometimes not show pain and discomfort when they feel it.
    Also, as I said, the damage may only show as the horse ages.

    I would not like most adults of any weight to ride a fine boned 12hh pony as tracer discribes :)
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        11-18-2012, 12:35 PM
      #35
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    This guy is a solid 15.2hh, a good 1000lbs, adult purebred Arabian with "4 corners", means he has room for two hand-widths between his front legs, and a 8 1/2" cannonbone. He can, without a problem, carry 250 lbs.
    As a 3year old he was just about like the OP's horse. He MATURED into what he is now.
    So, it is absolutely necessary not to overload too early.
    The OP stated she would have her horse conditioned first. Good. But to be honest, I wouldn't put the heavier trainer on him for AT LEAST another year.
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        11-18-2012, 02:36 PM
      #36
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by muumi    
    Even though the 20 percent rule is outdated, I think its vital we have some sort of 'rule'.
    It is not as outdated as you may think, there was some more recent research that suggested that 20% was a comfortable load, however you can argue with the research for all sorts of reasons.

    The huge trouble with all of this is that it is hard to set a rule where not one but two living people are involved. I know that there is an ongoing debate about the phrase 'riding light' but the fact remains that some people are easier to carry than others, due to all sorts of reasons, their coordination, balance, and skill level being the prime factors.

    Also weight is deceptive, some people weigh a lot more or less than you think when you look at them, depending on how that weight is distributed. I also wonder when we are talking about weight if people judge differently when making distinctions.

    This person is 5' tall and weighs 250 pounds


    This person is 6' tall and weighs 250 pounds



    Would they both get the same reception when they turn up to ride I wonder? Photos from My Body Gallery

    Next question the 20% rule was set for horses working all day every day, does the same rule apply for a horse working an hour a day?

    Do we say 21% you can't ride, but 20% you can go out and do a cross country course. Did you know BTW that we expect our soldiers to carry up to 45% of their body weight while marching?

    Again I come back to if 20% is the norm, but we say that certain breeds are weight carriers what is their norm? Seeing as this thread was specifically about Arabians, and I have seen 25 - 30% mentioned for them, anecdotaly, but can find nothing to back this up.
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        11-18-2012, 06:37 PM
      #37
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    this guy is a solid 15.2hh, a good 1000lbs, adult purebred Arabian with "4 corners", means he has room for two hand-widths between his front legs, and a 8 1/2" cannonbone. He can, without a problem, carry 250 lbs.
    Ok that is part of what I see with Emmy, like her Momma she is 4 square



    Ace, her Momma



    Maybe not the best because she is stood narrow at the back, but I don't have a set of conformation pics for her yet.
         
        11-18-2012, 07:09 PM
      #38
    Trained

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        12-11-2012, 09:29 PM
      #39
    Green Broke
    Not to hijack, but what does a horse act like when you're too heavy for it?
         
        12-11-2012, 09:36 PM
      #40
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spookychick13    
    Not to hijack, but what does a horse act like when you're too heavy for it?
         

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