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post #21 of 30 Old 06-04-2012, 12:08 AM
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I went on the long road to getting the bypass. I found an amazing local hospital with a .004% mortality rate, great surgeons with loads of experience. I went to the pre-surgery meetings, spoke with lots of people who had it, and two months before my scheduled surgery date I backed out.

Personally I am young (24) and I didn't want to give up on myself when I had only been halfassing it before. You need to be sure you can stick with the portion control-- forever. You don't want to end up like one woman I met who was about to have her THIRD bypass.

As has been stated, rule out other medical problems. For me I have a condition called PCOS which makes it harder for my body to burn fat. Made worse by my asthma and type 2 diabetes it takes a lot for me to drop lbs, and I have to be careful not to work myself into an attack.

Take your time with making this decision as it is one that will shape the rest of your life.

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post #22 of 30 Old 06-06-2012, 06:14 PM
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I had a lapband put in August of 2008 and it was the best thing I ever did. If nothing else I am not gaining weight. I am fine with being at my size so long as I don't gain.

The surgery was so minimal, the journey afterwards was way harder.

My lap band enables me to eat portion sizes and not feel like I am dying of starvation. I had such good results even though Im still large, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
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post #23 of 30 Old 06-06-2012, 06:41 PM
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It has been something I have been tossing around for about a year now... People just do not understand the physical and mental pain, and their not-understanding makes it worse for me. Making me feel like a failure. I eat because I'm depressed, I
Depressed because I am in pain, I am in pain (partly) due to being over weight.... It's just a circle b
Currently I am doing all medical work ups making sure it is not due to an underlying factor (PCOS, thyroid, etc.) and we will go from there. Wish I could be skinny again, but I'd be happy with 140 lbs LESS.

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post #24 of 30 Old 06-07-2012, 12:01 PM
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I had a gastric bypass done 34 years ago by a pioneer in the field. I had battled overweight all my life and had a loving husband and two small children. Next February I'll be 65. Would I do it again? Yes...but only if I knew everything I know now.

My surgeon established a support group for his patients and required counseling before and after the surgery. GO. DO it. If your surgeon doesn't, find another dr. This is vitally important. Not just for how you deal with eating and nutrition, but how you deal with your new image.
Some people have problems dealing with their new bodies...marriages fail (not mine Thank God) and people can have problems with promiscuity or thinking that everyone only likes them because they are thin or thinner. The surgery can make them doubt everyone's intentions towards them. Trust me, issues will pop up that will surprise you.

You have to commit to healthy eating and that includes vitamins. Every. single. day. Bypass surgery can interfere with how you absorb vitamins.
It's the only side effect that I currently deal with. B vitamins and vitamin D are problematic. High calorie liquids will defeat the purpose of the surgery...they slide right through and so do their calories. Diet colas will rot your bones...Avoid them and learn to love milk, tea, coffee, and water.
Get used to no more than 6 oz. of protein at a time. If it's beef, you may not be able to handle even 4 ounces. Red meat is difficult.

I have gained back some of my weight. Not a tremendous amount, but I'm overweight again and 10 years ago I became diabetic. My current internist assures me that I'm about where everyone is 30 plus years after this surgery. Do I have horrible eating habits? No. Do I eat more slowly and in smaller quantities than anyone I know? Yes. The problem is the same exact problem that caused me to have the surgery in the first place: I'm an easy keeper. And now that I'm older and past menopause, I need even fewer calories than I did when I was younger!!! I'm stable. I'm not gaining. With a great deal of effort, I can lose some weight. As soon as I start focusing on something else, it creeps back. I'm sorry, there's more to my life than worrying about my weight and so as long as my horse is happy, so am I. Besides, at 65, I don't get the grief from others that I did when I was 30 because of a few pounds.

Those of you who can maintain a normal weight with little or no effort, need to back off. I have no idea why it's so difficult for people to understand, but some people are going to be overweight despite their best efforts. I know there is an epidemic of obesity in this country. You can go to any buffet restaurant and SEE why some people have weight problems. The size of the people and the contents of their plates are enough to take away anyone's appetite. You can see overweight people making poor food choices in any restaurant. WHAT YOU CANNOT SEE is the person who despite nutritional counseling, dieting and exercise stays overweight. Most of the time these people are far too humiliated, depressed and self-concious to be sitting in that buffet. Before you tell them to just slide back their chairs from the table and get more exercise you need to walk in their shoes for a day or a week. You'll get stared at or stared past. Comments about you in your hearing or made to you directly will take your breath away. The public is CRUEL. I once had a man, a complete stranger to me, come up to me in the mall when I was with my children and say, "You have such a pretty face. It's a shame you're so fat." Taking the kids to the beach was hell. It seems no one can resist the witty "beached whale!" comment.

THOSE things happened almost 40 years ago. Since a greater proportion of the public is overweight, it's not quite as difficult to find clothes that fit and there is at least a modicum of public acceptance. But the intolerance and the attitude remains and it makes life miserable. Unless you're totally stupid, you don't wake up and say, "Today, I think I'll be fat....or....I'm fat and I'm not going to even try to lose weight." You try EVERYTHING... and then you think about surgery. And then you fight with your family.

Once you reach this decision, you don't need advice. You need SUPPORT. Please excuse my rant. Even though I'm a grandmother, I still have (obviously) strong feelings about this.

I'm not a complete idiot--there are parts missing!

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post #25 of 30 Old 06-07-2012, 12:57 PM
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There is nothing worse than a skinny person telling a heavy person what to do...

So, for the record, I am probably within 10 lbs of my 5'3 ideal body weight. At one point in my recent pass, I was 10 lbs under my 5'3 ideal body weight.

It takes a LOT of hard work to staying within this goal range. And, I am not talking excercise. For the record, my excercise these days is very limited. I am talking food / eating choices.

It is the difference between a 99.9% lean turkey sandwich on whole grain bread with carrot sticks and 8oz of water opposed to a regular McDonald's hamburger and fries and small coke.

Quantity wise, they are probably the same. Chewed up, both would probably similarly weigh the same in mass or fill the same size container (picture your stomach). But CALORIE wise, omg. The sodium alone in the McDonald's meal will cause you to gain weight.

I would MUCH rather eat the McDonald's regular hamburger/fries portion from taste and comfort. And that folks, is where it is hard. It is driving past McDonalds after a long day at work and making a turkey sandwich at home.

Those are the obvious choices. But, within the turkey sandwich, there are unseen horrors. A typical sandwich portion is 3 slices of meat. But it tastes better with 6. I love Miracle Whip. But it has many more calories than yellow mustard and much more fat. My favorite bread of choice has 11 gr of fat not to mention 240 calories for 2 slices. Lettuce, tomatoe, pickles on the side. Each has a calorie rating based on a defined quantity.

When I moved to Missouri, there were no Sonics were I had previously lived. I moved down here and discovered Sonic happy hour and Grape slushes. After several months, my favorite jeans, skirts, shorts did not fit. I looked it up and that Sonic slush was 450 calories for a SMALL. Drink one of those a day for a week, on top of 3 meals that average 600 calories a day.

I don't care how tight the band on your stomach is, you will gain weight.

OP - should you decide to go the surgery route, I wish you Godspeed in healing. I have a friend who had bypass surgery and she has done an excellent job at maintaining her weight. Somewhere, deep down, she found renewed willpower to forego drizzling cheese sauce on her brocolli.

I hope you find a good support group. I do recommend that you meet with a dietician to work up healthy meal options that will give you the biggest bang of nutrition for your buck.

Once you gain the willpower over food you can spurge and enjoy that chocolate covered strawberry.

If you are a depression eater, meet with a counselor to find another outlet for your eating habits. Your life will never be without depression or sadness. (If it is, I am jealous). Find a different comfort. Once you are more mobile, horse riding, walking, bike riding, swimming all become ways to deal with stress.

Good luck to you.
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post #26 of 30 Old 06-07-2012, 04:39 PM
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I am an RN. I had a friend that was an RN. She was morbidly obese and had saved and planned for her gastric bypass surgery for several years. She had the surgery and later that day her blood pressure bottomed out. They couldn't get it back up enough for the surgeon to be able to go back in to see what was wrong. She died the next day. The surgeon (who had a great success rate at a prestigious hospital) had knicked a blood vessel. A small knick that was not noticed during the procedure, but that caused her to eventually have hypovolemia and die.
Yes there are horror stories and there are success stories. To me, I would have rather had my friend be fat and alive than try to be thin and dead. JMOH.

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post #27 of 30 Old 06-07-2012, 05:55 PM
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That is a risk that everyone who choose this path wretches over, as an RN your friend must have understood the risks even better than the normal layperson in her position. But there is a point when as that morbidly obese person you do make that decision. Of course you would rather have your friend no matter her body size. Of course! But having been in a simaler place, as the person making the choice for that decision, the one who had to weight the options, and risks. I was advised that death was a slim but very real possibility with the surgery and although my Surgeon had a rediculously low complications rate, it was made crystal clear that it is a possible outcome that needed to be considered.

I accepted that risk. I made the decision to change my life for better or worse because after years of diets and doctors and specialists, I could not deal with my weight anymore.

I am absolutly sorry for your loss.being the person on the table and being someone that attends support meetings that include pre and post op patients, I've never met anyone who hasn't had this conversation in their head, and there are a lot of people who don't go through with it for exactly this reason.

My friends would also prefer to have an obese friend alive and with them, but that's not how *I* wanted to live anymore.

Love & compassion from this side of the table...
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post #28 of 30 Old 06-07-2012, 06:38 PM
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I am glad that yours was a success. I don't know anyone that has had the lap band so I couldn't comment on that. I have just had too many patients with complications after the gastric bypass. Of course the ones that were successful wouldn't need me! I just worry about people. It's my nature. I truly understand the need for doing the surgery from a person's standpoint that has struggled with the excess weight. I just miss my friend and wish that she had been one of the lucky ones. She was a special person

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post #29 of 30 Old 06-07-2012, 07:28 PM
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I would have rather had my friend be fat and alive than try to be thin and dead. JMOH.
Trouble is sometimes us fat people don't feel alive, we may be upright and walking, but look inside of us and there is a little bit dying every day.

I admire anyone with the cash, insurance cover, and bravery to go through with this, I have none of the above.

When I was researching a lap band is when I found the medifast diet, and thought I would save the money of having the surgery, buy eating like I had had it, if that makes sense. It was a 100% total success, I lost a total of 140 pounds in 18 months, YEAH to me, trouble is I have gained over 100 of that back now.

This is going to sound totally stupid, so all you people who are a little fluffy, have a mini spare tire, you will not get this at all, but anyone who is BIG will understand, I really and truly didn't realize how bad it was getting, I was 170 and celebrating and the next time I turned around I was 230. I started trying to diet my way back down again but now I'm nearer to 300 pounds again.

I don't eat all day, I don't eat big meals, I'm shocked when we are out in company how much some 'normal people' pack away. We eat plain, I cook from scratch mostly, and don't make many fancy meals, just a kind of meat and 2 or 3 veg type cook.

There is far more to this whole weight gain and loss than simple calories in v calories out. I always marvel how we can totally 'get' oh I have to keep my haflinger in a dry lot, because if I show her a flake of hay she puts on weight, we also totally understand, Oh I feed my TB unlimited hay, grazing and 3 feeds a day of weight builder feed and she is still ribby.

Just as with horses some of us are easy keepers, and some are hard keepers. Just think though, as the amount of people on the planet outweighs the amount of available food, it is my sort who are going last the longest, and you less efficient converters will be wiped out
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post #30 of 30 Old 06-08-2012, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DressageDreamer View Post
I am glad that yours was a success. I don't know anyone that has had the lap band so I couldn't comment on that. I have just had too many patients with complications after the gastric bypass. Of course the ones that were successful wouldn't need me! I just worry about people. It's my nature. I truly understand the need for doing the surgery from a person's standpoint that has struggled with the excess weight. I just miss my friend and wish that she had been one of the lucky ones. She was a special person
The complication stats were the deciding factor for me to the the lap band. This isn't to say that lap band doesn't carry risks, every surgery does. But the statistics of complications and death for lap band are VERY low as compared to by-pass. Everyone has to weigh out the risks for themselves. Just before you do ANYTHING, research, research, research. DO NOT depend on what people tell you, even your doctor. Do your OWN research as well. KNOW what you are getting into 100% before you decide on which way to go.
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