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teamfire 10-30-2011 01:14 AM

Potential dressage horse?
Looking for my first horse, wanting to do dressage, hopefully reach one day 3rd or 4th level.

What do you think of him? He's 7, but he was started late.

No conformation pictures, I'm afraid.

Any thoughts?

jumpingrules92 10-30-2011 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by teamfire (Post 1216311)
Looking for my first horse, wanting to do dressage, hopefully reach one day 3rd or 4th level.

What do you think of him? He's 7, but he was started late.

Larceny Flat Work & Jumping - YouTube

No conformation pictures, I'm afraid.

Any thoughts?

I watched a few minutes of that video..

Im not a fan. But what is your riding level?

Hes VERY quick. I get that hes green but it almost seems that that rider isn't riding him from the back forward...shes just letting him run through her hands while she hauls on the bit and cranks his head down and tries to make it look pretty.

teamfire 10-30-2011 01:51 AM

I'm intermediate level, more or less.

Yes, not that impressed with the rider, but what do you think of the horse itself? Potential for dressage, assuming the rest of its training is better done?

tinyliny 10-30-2011 02:13 AM

He has a lot of go and is really rythmic and pretty free throught the back. If you have a good instructor who knows how to work with this kind of "steamroller" horse, then maybe yes. As you can see, he is going through the bit, but ends up behind the vertical, bearing down on the bit. I think correct riding can help this, incorrect riding will make it hard ingrained and you'll be just being dragged around all the time. Do you know how to slow a horse, without pulling back harder? Do you know how to encourage him to reach down and in front of the vertical and lift through? Can you keep his busy mind , well, busy?

teamfire 10-30-2011 02:22 AM

Certainly do! Plus, I have a really amazing coach is VERY careful on teaching the proper riding aids, particularly of the seat. If there's anything that bothers her, it's busy hands that force a head down for the 'look' but no substance, and working correctly from the back to the front.

tinyliny 10-30-2011 02:54 AM

Well, what does your coach think of this horse? I do like that he's forward, though he is rushing. But at least he has go!

teamfire 10-30-2011 02:58 AM

Haven't yet shown it to her. Been searching through tons of horses, and her time is valuable, and as I haven't yet decided if it's worth it to pursue...

MoodIndigo 10-30-2011 04:24 AM

I do like him, though I agree with what everyone else is saying, too.

I love the expression "steamroller horse" to describe him! Well done tinyliny. Lol!

Even though the rider is unimpressive, I do see potential in this horse. He has 3 very nice gaits to work with, and seems to be an easy learner.

Kayty 10-30-2011 05:17 AM

Lateral walk... run away!!!!!!!
His walk is a whisker away from being two beat/lateral, this is very difficult to correct and if he already has the tendency to be lateral, he will likely revert to this whenever he is tense even if you do manage to train it out of him for general work.
At the end of the video when the rider lets him out a little, the walk does improve, so that is a good sign that you will be able to train it out of him, but as I said, it's likely that he will also want to revert to lateral when tension creeps in.

The trot is 'ok', but I'm not leaping out of my seat yelling "world beater". It will take a lot of work to get him to sit and lighten his forehand. He is running straight through the rider's hands, and Tiny said, "steamrolling". I feel that he has a natural tendency to want to be on his front legs and low in the poll, even without a not so talented rider on board. His hocks aren't brilliant, yes he could dabble in some collection, but I don't feel that this will be his strong point. Though with lots of gymnastic and correct work, he may build the strength to cope with this a little more.

I think his canter is quite good and he has an uphill tendency if the rider had the skill to show that off, probably his best pace.

I think once he has a decent rider on board he would start to use his back, but in the video he very much looked like a leg mover rather than a back mover.
I wouldn't recommend this horse as a rider's first horse, as there is a lot of work to be done on re-education and I think he may also be quite hot headed when you put some pressure on him.
Have a look, show your coach, but he wouldn't be my pick.

core 10-30-2011 09:21 AM

The lateral walk at the beginning was concerning. I saw at the end, when the rider allowed the horse to relax more, his walk became more 4 beat. However, any time that horse gets stressed or anxious you have more of a chance the horse will have a lateral walk. Depends on the money they want for the horse. If he's cheap, then retraining the horse to not give the lateral walk when anxious/nervous might be worth while.

He looks like he'd be capable, physically, of training through 3rd. Nice canter. His trot in the free jumping video has a lot of expression. He's run off his feet in the trot while the rider cranks his nose in... that's a terrible rider. I'd like to yank her off that horse and ask her what the heck she thinks she's doing.

I didn't see a price for the horse listed anywhere, but I think I would pass on this one. Him getting a late start, the lateral walk, having to retrain him to stay connected on the bit... He has such a long way to go in his training just to be at a solid training level, and he's alredy 7. Plus you'll have to introduce him to all of the same things you'd have to do if he were 4 (first show, first everything). If he has a great personality, and bomb proof type persona, then that would make up for his late start and bad beginning training... but if he's the nervous type, I'd pass.

Depends on the price. I wouldn't buy him unless I got a really good deal on him. Otherwise, he's just another warmblood of average ability, except he's been started late and trained to run around like a fool while leaning on the bit. Wouldn't be worth the time and effort at full price.

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