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barnbumcarie 11-14-2011 09:06 PM

poor quality hay this year
 
The hay this yr was not very good so I have been feeding a complete pellet feed. It is easier in the winter as sweet feed freezes and gets hard to scoop. I was thinking of blending some carrots, apple, molasses, and corn oil in a blender and pouring it over his grain. Not a lot just enough to make the pellet less dusty and more tasty. Would it be ok to do this! I figured if I just blended it enough to still have some little chunks my gelding would like it. Not sure if it would make him sick.

barnbumcarie 11-14-2011 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by barnbumcarie (Post 1233425)
The hay this yr was not very good so I have been feeding a complete pellet feed. It is easier in the winter as sweet feed freezes and gets hard to scoop. I was thinking of blending some carrots, apple, molasses, and corn oil in a blender and pouring it over his grain. Not a lot just enough to make the pellet less dusty and more tasty. Would it be ok to do this! I figured if I just blended it enough to still have some little chunks my gelding would like it. Not sure if it would make him sick.

Oops I meant to make that a question. Has anyone ever done this or created a mixture like it?

Cacowgirl 11-15-2011 12:00 AM

Yes, I've done something like that-, the chopped fruit over a bran mash-the horses ate it pretty willingly & what wasn't cleaned up, I moved around till it was gone.

walkinthewalk 11-15-2011 08:17 AM

You could but, please keep in mind that everything you mentioned is full of sugar; especially the molasses.

If your plan is to make that mix every day, you may very well end up with one hyper-I-don't-want-to-listen horse. Not to mention sometimes horses high on sugar get nippy and kicky.

Your pellets should not be so dusty that you have to worry about settling dust down; that is not normal for a pelleted feed.

Is it a pelleted feed that is locally made? If so, I would buy a name brand.

It's also possible there are mold spores in the bag and the horse shouldn't be eating it:-)

I have to wonder how many times horses have colicked because they ate feed that was either sour or on the moldy side and the owner had no idea. Feed stores are supposed to sell nothing but fresh, dated feed but I know from personal experience that does not happen.

The feed stores in my county have learned that "The Look" on my face when I storm thru the door means they owe me money for a bad bag of something.

If an explosion of dust comes out of the bag as soon as it's opened, that is bad news for the horse. My nose is in every bag I open, looking for bugs or dust:)

barnbumcarie 11-15-2011 08:48 AM

There is not a ton of dust but enough that I don't like it. I normally give him an apple a day or a couple of carrots at night cut up in his feed, just thought adding a half cup of oil and about a teaspoon of molasses with his fruit n veggies and blending it up would help him like his grain more. He was always on sweet feed before I slowly switched him to a complete pellet because of my undesireable hay this year. I am not happy with feeding it to him but I put it in a nibble net (he is a piggy) and it slows him down so I don't have to feed as much hay to keep him busy. I just want him to enjoy his grain and get the most nutrition I can give him. I thought of feeding a senior feed but again grain gets hard here in the winter. I am not sure what to do :(

walkinthewalk 11-15-2011 09:02 AM

What brand of pellets are you feeding him and what do you have available?

I'm all for the pellets and generally horses eat them ok.

The nibble net is a great idea, especially when horses are fast eaters; one of mine is like that and eats from a nibble net when he comes in at night:-)

If you know for sure the pellets aren't dusty from mold, the other option to encourage him to eat is to buy WalMart's brand of 100% pure apple juice and mix it 50-50- with water. I say WalMart's because it's the cheapest by the gallon:-)

Keep a small bottle of the mix in the refrigerator so you don't have to mix the juice and water every time.

I use that when I have to give someone powdered meds in a syringe:-)

Is he an easy keeper? If so, adding all the things you mentioned on a daily basis might also push him into metabolic issues.

My horse that eats thru the Nibble Net is insulin resistant; the insulin spikes are what makes him think he's hungry all time.

barnbumcarie 11-15-2011 06:46 PM

how did you find that out? does he have low blood sugar or high? I have never heard of anything like that. So does that mean he is a diabetic? I tried my mixture and no worries my horse said nope lol he dumped his grain pan! lol i am gonna have to bake alot of cookies to use all this molasses :) anyone know any good recipies?

walkinthewalk 11-16-2011 09:13 AM

barnbumcarie;1234469]how did you find that out? Sadly, I have two with metabolic issues. The initial symptoms were different in each horse but still all of the symptoms a horse with high insulin could have.

does he have low blood sugar or high?High

I have never heard of anything like that. So does that mean he is a diabetic?Yes, exactly - Type II diabetic if they were humans. I tried my mixture and no worries my horse said nope lol he dumped his grain pan! lol

i am gonna have to bake alot of cookies to use all this molasses :) anyone know any good recipies?That is what is used for Gingerbread cookies. Get yourelf some Gingerbred man cookie cutters, and freeze the cookies until Christmas:D:D

If you have time for a small bit of extra reading, here's an excellent and credible link that discusses metabolic issues in horses.

This no way means your horse is headed that way but, since you seem more than casually interested, I thought you might like to read up on it and you can at least recognize the warning symptoms:-)

My 12 yr old is Insulin Resistant and had sub-clinical laminitis in all four hooves at the time of diagnosis. My 24 yr old has Equine Metabolic Syndrome and has never had a laminitic episode since his diagnosis 4+ years ago.

Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Information

SueNH 11-17-2011 03:19 PM

walkinthewalk, your posts here and scattered about got me searching around for different nutrition articles and feed information. I admit most of mine comes from when I was young in the 1970's. Dinosaurs can still learn.

I'm kind of convinced I have some IR issues going on with my old pony mare. She has always fought the battle of the bulge and lately, at age 37 it's getting worse. Some changes are in the making. I'd like the little witch around for as long as I can.

walkinthewalk 11-17-2011 06:02 PM

=SueNH;1236443]walkinthewalk, your posts here and scattered about got me searching around for different nutrition articles and feed information. I admit most of mine comes from when I was young in the 1970's. Dinosaurs can still learn.Ahhh! Someone else that I bet wishes for the days before Coggins existed and the farm dog was lucky if it got hauled in the bed of the pickup to the vet for a rabies shot - lollol

Believe me, I do not want all this nutritional knowledge. When my now 24 yr old was diagnosed four years ago, I spent almost that entire summer (in tears) at this computer researching. My then-vet was of no help.

I'm kind of convinced I have some IR issues going on with my old pony mare. She has always fought the battle of the bulge and lately, at age 37 it's getting worse. Some changes are in the making. I'd like the little witch around for as long as I can. Is that her sweet chunky little self in your avatar? On the right? What a dollface and hugs to you for getting her to 37. Yeah -- she needs to hang around for another decade at least. What a "tough old bird" she is, as my granddad used to say:D

I hope you get whatever diet issues she might have, resolved. Did you have a chance to look at this link? Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Information

The Horse: Your Guide to Equine Health Care also has a lot of information if you search for "insulin resistance". It is free to subscribe to their web site. They also have a hard copy magazine that is not at all expensive:-)


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