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Rachel1786 11-22-2011 11:50 PM

Double bridle vs. regular bridle?
 
I'm thinking about trying a pelham for my TB. If I got a pelham and a second set of reins would that work or do a need to get a double bridle? Looking at the pictures I don't see a difference, but why would they mark it as a double bridle if it was the same? I'm holding off on ordering the bit I want until I know for sure. Thanks!

bubba13 11-22-2011 11:58 PM

They are two totally different pieces of equipment with different feels/styles.

The true double bridle has two separate bits, meaning two mouthpieces. The (Weymouth) curb is generally solid--and with a straighter shank than the Pelham--and the (Bradoon) snaffle is usually single-jointed. You can get better isolation of the different snaffle/curb reins in this manner. It is also harder to hold, requiring greater finesse. And the curb itself is generally harsher than the Pelham curb.

bubba13 11-23-2011 12:01 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...AndBradoon.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WMLJW9X6Bq...ridle_bits.jpg

versus

http://www.jacksmfg.com/newimages/products/10531a.gif

sarahver 11-23-2011 12:04 AM

Double bridles employ two different bits (one with a curb chain and one without) that two different sets of reins are attached to. They are used mostly in upper level dressage and wouldn't suit your purposes at all.

A pelham uses one bit with a curb chain from which there are two rein attachments. Used for a variety of reasons but only on well schooled horses.

What is it you are looking to achieve?

Rachel1786 11-23-2011 12:11 AM

I've always heard the term double bridle and pelhem used interchangeable which is why I was confused lol.

When jumping my mare tends to get kind of crazy and run through the bit, and I'm basically sick and tired of everyone telling me to put a twist or a corkscrew(or whatever harsh bit they prefer) in her mouth, so this way I can get a pelham with the same gentle oval mouth piece to shut them up and just not use the other rein.
I know it may seem like a stupid reason but I'm just so freaking annoyed of everyone saying up bit her up.

bubba13 11-23-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sarahver (Post 1241882)
Double bridles employ two different bits (one with a curb chain and one without) that two different sets of reins are attached to. They are used mostly in upper level dressage and wouldn't suit your purposes at all.

See them a lot in CEP and saddleseat, too, for better or worse.

http://www.strawberrybanksfarm.com/M...StrawBanks.jpg

I learned to handle a double bridle long before I knew a thing about bits or the difference between a snaffle and a curb. Which is scary, really.

Poco1220 11-23-2011 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bubba13 (Post 1241899)
See them a lot in CEP and saddleseat, too, for better or worse.

http://www.strawberrybanksfarm.com/M...StrawBanks.jpg

I learned to handle a double bridle long before I knew a thing about bits or the difference between a snaffle and a curb. Which is scary, really.

I learned about them riding saddleseat but like you at that point was clueless on a lot of bit knowledge! Luckily the horse I rode had zero tolerance for harsh or heavy hands and would firmly land me on the ground! But yes a double bridle can be great or dangerous depending on who is using it!
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bubba13 11-23-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rachel1786 (Post 1241891)
I've always heard the term double bridle and pelhem used interchangeable which is why I was confused lol.

You use a double rein for both....but they definitely aren't the same thing!

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When jumping my mare tends to get kind of crazy and run through the bit, and I'm basically sick and tired of everyone telling me to put a twist or a corkscrew(or whatever harsh bit they prefer)
Yeah, DON'T do that. And don't go for the double bridle, either.

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in her mouth, so this way I can get a pelham with the same gentle oval mouth piece to shut them up and just not use the other rein.
A Pelham with two reins may be a valid choice. Same for an elevator gag. But I'd hazard that a lot of this is a training thing.

One thing that some people with rushing horses do is forego the bit entirely and switch to a jumping hackamore:

http://www.galadriel.shaftnet.org/ho...hackamore.jpeg

Or English hackamore:

http://www.hought.com/09-enghack422-cu-a.jpg

You'd be amazed at what removing the pain can do.

sarahver 11-23-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bubba13 (Post 1241899)
See them a lot in CEP and saddleseat, too, for better or worse.



I learned to handle a double bridle long before I knew a thing about bits or the difference between a snaffle and a curb. Which is scary, really.

Ha, I always forget about saddleseat, we don't really have those classes on Oz :wink:

Rachael: My feeling on using the pelham in your situation is that it may help you slow her down but it won't help her jump better or more accurately. While the curb action of the pelham will offer more power so to speak, it won't calm her down. She will be just as scatty but perhaps a little slower. If she runs through the bit currently, bitting her up will lead to the same behaviour eventually in a harsher bit. I am in agreement with Bubba that it is a training issue that a harsher bit won't help with.

Don't worry about thinking it is a silly reason, many people use that reason and I have no doubt that you were told by many that this is the best course of action! Introduce the jumps slowly and work on getting her in the right frame of mind when she is jumping. Don't push it and when she gives you a nice, unrushed jump for the day congratulate her and finish up! It's more about reprogramming her mind than reprogramming her mouth :wink:


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