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kathryne12 11-24-2011 03:02 AM

would love some help/advice on what to do with my complex OTTB please!
 
okay im going to try and give out FULL details on the issue and the horse..
basic info.
the horse will be 6 in april She has been at the barn for a full year, she came from the kentucky equine humane society. she has been raced more than once and has won a few races.
She is a known biter and kicker- she also gets WORSE yes worse when you correct her.
yet she is a changed horse with a lead rope attached to her, and shes better with a saddle on her.
She is a one person horse and that is it. I am her one person. (she is a-lot better though from a year ago).
but here is what is going on recently.
we discovered she has ulcers and started to give her aleovera juice to soothe her stomach. She gets nervous that she grinds her teeth a lot. we dont have to get her floated she does it for us. They changed their feed from just reg sweet feed to a mixture of
beet pulp, rice bran, safechoice, alfalfa pellets, and diatamichious earth- my mare gets 2 scoops of that twice a day plus a scoop of sr feed. ( they are going to change it to something called wellsolve soon.
last week she coliced real bad. yesterday she was not colicing but her ulcers bothered her a lot. The owner gave her a shot of bantamine to just make her feel better..... I stayed at the barn last night and checked on her this morning... text the owner and let her know she had gut sounds ate her hay and drank her water but she still looked the same. I had the stablehand check on her as well... and I came by between jobs and she was fine.
she went and got her 3 things of gastrogard. I wonder if thats enough to knock it out? Should I get her a supplement like Smart Gut? and use that for a month or so after the GastroGard? I cant really change what they feed her.
The guy who is feeding her is only giving her a little bit now just while her stomach is healing... it would be nice I think to give her snaller meals during the day.
I do not OWN her, I lease her from some one... So I can only do so much. but please all opinions are welcome... and just a fact- If it was not for ME this horse would be dead.
she is also about 100 pounds underweight b/c of all of the above.
Sorry for the long post just wanted to make sure I have all the details down.

bubba13 11-24-2011 03:13 AM

1. A horse grinding its teeth is in no way a substitute for proper, veterinary dental care.
2. Aloe vera is not a proven or veterinarian-recommended substitute for medical ulcer treatment.
3. Sounds like a lot of concentrated feed. Is she not on pasture or free choice hay? She needs to be. And if she's got getting turnout, she sure needs it. That could be the cause of some of the ulcers.....
4. Since ulcers have been definitively diagnosed, I'm assuming a veterinarian has seen this mare. What are the vet's recommendations about the proper dosage of Gastrogard?

lubylol 11-24-2011 03:13 AM

I'm kinda confused on what you're asking :/ I think if you guys continue with this she'll be fine. I'm not very educated on stomach ulcers, but do they heal and go away ?

If so continue with the same routine until they heal, and once healed start changing her diet to help her gain wait.


Take all that with a grain of salt, since I'm not very educuated on her problems.

Best of luck to you!!
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kathryne12 11-24-2011 03:22 AM

she gets hay all day... she is stalled up b/c the only grass now is in the back pastures and she gets too nervous when she is not near the barn... but she does get exercised...

and I know all that stuff Bubba... I do not know what the vet said.. All i know is when I went to go check on her she had 3 things by her stall of it. the owner was not there. the aleovera was just to soothe her for a bit.

oh they are also giving her some veg oil and some herbal stuff in her feed.

bubba13 11-24-2011 03:26 AM

You're in a hard spot, but I'm afraid there's not much you can do, except ask the owner what the vet said and try to plan your own actions accordingly.

kathryne12 11-24-2011 03:29 AM

yah I just like to be prepared.... I guess have a strategy when I talk to her.

I did have the horse on empower it helped her gain weight but since they have changed her feed and added stuff to it... she was taken off of it for now. going to wait til shes a bit more healed up and then restart her back on it.

caseymyhorserocks 11-24-2011 01:25 PM

The vet needs to get you a prescription for a real medication for ulcers, although what you are using may help, it will not solve the problem and will probably only work for a small amount of time if it even does work.

kathryne12 11-24-2011 02:01 PM

Gastrogard is from the vet. Please read the post thoroughly.
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Bandera 11-24-2011 06:39 PM

I would put her on a supplement to keep the ulcers from coming back because horses that get them can keep getting them and are more susceptible to them. I am worried about her food choice. Alfalfa pellets are very high in protein and it seem like she does not need it because she gets nervous and seems like a hot horse. Personally it sounds like your horse is stressed out and nervous, these things can cause ulcers. Additionally i would try mare magic with her to calm her down so she could possibly go out in pasture. Also you can try magnesium, that helps them calm down and focus more.

I would talk more to your vet and also the owner of the horse. Be there for vet appointments and if you cant make it call your vet and talk to them about what you need to do.

Now, diatamichious earth. How many cups are in a scoop of this? Horses should only get 1 cup a day of this. Why are you feeding this? Does your horse also have a problem with worms? What DE does it act like a chemical and it actually dehydrates the insects. This has more information on it:
Diatomaceous Earth - Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth Health Benefits

When you say they are going to switch her to wellsolve is it the weight control one or the l/s (low starch low sugar). Why does she need to switch to this? if she is under weight dont go on weight control, and it doesnt seem like she is special needs and needs the l/s one. here is some info about it:
Purina Horse Feeds - WELLSOLVE


I am little confused on what she is eating. Can you please give more info like height, weight, work load, how many flakes of hay, type of hay, amount of beet pulp, rice bran, grain, and DE. This way i could help you even more:)

The best advice i can give you is call your vet and see if you could get his/her input on what you should do for the ulcers and what you should do for feeding because i think it should be revised.

Also if your horse grinds your teeth, she probably needs floating even more! what happens is the teeth keep growing and the more the horse wears them down by grinding, chewing, etc. they start to develop hooks on the sides of their teeth. Please read the first article on floating, that explains it better than me:) Dental Care: Floating, Hooks, Loose Teeth, and Wolf Teeth

I hope this helps! :)

Rachel1786 11-24-2011 08:52 PM

For my TB with ulcers I gave her ratidine(generic zantac) as I couldn't afford a month of gastrogard, I also put her on a supplement called ulc-r-aid which has been amazing(and it's fairly inexpensive to, horse.com has it I think $43 for 10lbs which lasts 3-5 months). I also found aloe juice to help soothe her stomach. If possible get her on alfalfa hay, cubes or pellets, it also helps heal ulcers.


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