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Jamiee 11-24-2011 09:45 PM

Stallion Complex
 
I have a 6 y/o Arab/QH who was broke out at three and he has always had a stallion complex and lately he's getting a hyper and I feel like our 49/51 partnership has flipped so he's the boss.

So first off he's been gelded since he was 9 months old and always been around mares but he STILL does the job (not even a tease). He doesn't have a third testicle but we're unsure of proud cut. Hes turned quite ignorant and disrespectful as in when were in a round pen he will turn his ass to me and cow kick (not in anger, as hes nowhere near me and just isnt that kind of horse) or toss his head around.


I dont mind the attitude I kind of love it because he still has spirit, I just want that 51 percent back on my half.

So I guess what Im asking is how do you handle a stallion with attitude or, rather, a horse that thinks hes a stallion?





ps: He's a deam when you're on his back. Bitless, bridless, everything.

waresbear 11-24-2011 09:52 PM

He's kicked at you???!!! You better get a handle on this horse or you gonna get hurt.

Jamiee 11-24-2011 09:59 PM

Not AT me aggressively, more like when you see horses playing in the field together. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body, he just thinks he's king of the world and I need to know how to knock him down a few pegs.

allisonjoy 11-24-2011 11:12 PM

i have a 10 yo gelding with the same issue. he respects me, and knows where i stand though. i've always watched what my horses do to each other to gain their "titles" and i basically act the way our dominant mare does. i'll protect my herd like she does, i get rough when i have to, and a do a join up every time i mess with any of my horses. my horses don't get away with ANYTHING that's shows me disrespect, and i've had to learn it the hard way. i found that just like dog training, you must communicate in a way they understand, the way they do it amongst each other. and i'm most definitely not telling you to go in the pasture and wave your arms around chasing your horses. you still need to be careful because he may challenge you. go in there with a lunge type whip and maybe a plastic bag. you need to go in the pasture and claim your dominance there, such as they do. i learned that if you get the "lower on the totem pole" horses to know that you ARE above them and their other leader, its not as difficult to convince the herd leader of this too. once the respect in the pasture is there, begin with a round work, and successfully join up. i work my horses HARD till they realize that if you stand behind me, your life is MUCH easier. hope this helps! i was in the EXACT same situation!

AmazinCaucasian 11-25-2011 12:14 AM

1. You certainly should rethink your "49/51 partnership". That's what you do with people, not a horse. Unless you want your horse to do half the thinking for your "partnership".

2. When you say you love for him to have "spirit", it says to me you encourage dangerous and disrespectful behavior.

If you don't want to be kicked in the face or mauled, change your line of thinking. Your horse doesn't love you and he won't come to the hospital to visit you. In fact, he'll be happy you're gone for awhile so he can do whatever he wants without you aggravating him.

I know you don't believe he's that kind of horse. Your wording tells me he hasn't hurt you YET. I'm being coarse about this because hopefully it will get your attention. If you continue to reward threatening behavior, your "partner" will do exactly what you're training him to do: Give you a 4-alarm thrashing that you'll never forget.

I shouldn't have to explain myself but I will. I've seen lots of people with the same attitude you have. When they don't take advice, the horse gets worse and eventually somebody gets hurt bad. Then they either beat the horse half to death or take it to the sale barn. So please re-think how you're doing things and give that horse some fundamental respect training.

AmazinCaucasian 11-25-2011 12:22 AM

Oh yeah...Happy Thanksgiving!

JuniorHunterChamp 11-25-2011 12:26 AM

I know of something that will ABSOLUTELY work for you! It's a simple, and safe injection that a gelding can get every month to take the edge off.




My own gelding gets the shot every few months. IT WORKS

Let me know what you think!

JuniorHunterChamp 11-25-2011 12:29 AM

You can ask your vet about the DEPO shot and discuss whether it would be a good choice for you and your horse. Happy Thanksgiving!

Cherie 11-25-2011 12:38 AM

First of all, you should have a blood test run to determine if he has any testosterone in his blood. Very few horses are actually 'proud cut', but it does happen.

Second, do not run this dominant horse with or across a fence from ANY mares. He does not need to be a herd leader or a stud wannabe.

Third, listen to everything Amazin Caucasian said. He is dead on with everything he said. Every time a horse is disrespectful and you think it is neat, he is one step closer to really 'putting you in your place' -- under him obviously. One day his threats will become an attack and you will be no match. Every toss of his head and every lifted hind foot is a direct threat and a warning that you need to be kept in your place. You WILL get hurt by this horse if you do not change your attitude and his attitude right away.

Annnie31 11-25-2011 12:17 PM

I must say I agree with much that has been said so far.

Proud Cut in todays world is in fact a very rare thing and as a matter of fact horses who exhibit agressive studdy behavior even after gelding are usually still producing too much testosterone but usually it is not related to the gelding. Your horse may be producing too much testosterone because he has a hyper-active Adrenal Gland (which is located very near the kidney and also produce testosterone). You can talk to your vet about it to see if this could be the problem and have him tested and treated.
Welcome to the forum and best of luck with your horse.


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