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barnmom66 11-27-2011 09:50 PM

Picking a HUS AQHA stud to breed with an HYPP N/H mare
 
I have a mature quarter horse palomino mare that is HyPP N/H and has not shown any symptoms that I am looking to breed. She has had 6 babies prior to me purchasing her 6 years ago.

My goal with breeding her is to get a nice HUS AQHA horse that my daughter can show in a few years.

Anyone have a suggestion of some nice HUS AQHA studs out there that I should think about breeding to?

I do not want a stud that is HYPP in any form...either N/H or N/N.

Your comments on whether or not I should be even breeding this mare is not what I am looking for. :)

Thank you!

Starryeyed 11-27-2011 10:11 PM

Just so you know horses that are HYPP N/N would be all horses that dont have HYPP so saying you dont want to breed to them doesnt make much sense. What you should be avoiding is horses that are N/H, although even breeding your mare to a horse that doesnt have HYPP could still produce an N/H foal. I have a friend with and N/H mare who died due to being misfed by a visitor after living with no symptoms for years.

paintedpastures 11-27-2011 10:20 PM

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bubba13 11-27-2011 10:30 PM

In my opinion, breeding an N/H horse is extremely irresponsible and inexcusable.

aspin231 11-27-2011 10:40 PM

The only reason HYPP is still around is because people keep breeding horses with the disease. I can't believe that anyone would consider breeding a horse with a known, dangerous, avoidable genetic defect. I hope you don't breed your mare, HYPP can be assymptomatic for years, so the fact that she hasn't had an episode means nothing.

smrobs 11-27-2011 10:57 PM

Just because she's been asymptomatic thus far doesn't mean that she couldn't drop dead from the disease tomorrow. With her being N/H, even if you breed her to a N/N stud, you still have a 25% chance of her throwing an N/H foal. Horses that carry the HYPP gene tend to lead very troubled lives and suffer long and excruciating deaths at a fairly young age compared to disease free horses. I wouldn't want to risk producing a foal that would suffer through that.

Dreamcatcher Arabians 11-27-2011 11:01 PM

I'm confused about the reactions to breeding the N/H mare. My understanding is, if she's only bred to an N/N stallion, you have2 chances for an N/N foal and 2 chances for N/H, is that not correct? And no chances for H/H. I realize some horses that are N/H are symptomatic but not usually as bad as the H/H, right? So......if your policy is to geld all N/H colts then the disease will eventually be self limiting, won't it?

I know with SCID in ARabians (which is what I'm familiar with, so that's why I'm asking all these HYPP questions), if you breed a carrier to a clear and then get a clear, obviously no problem. Then if you geld the SCID colts that are born, someone did a study that it would self eliminate in about 25 yrs.

Would the results from N/H breeding be that different? What am I missing? Why the HUGE reaction by Bubba to the very thought of breeding the mare? I'm really asking to be educated here, not trying to stir a pot.

Thanks all!

aspin231 11-27-2011 11:06 PM

Dreamcatcher- the issue I see is that HYPP is COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE and no horses need to suffocate to death, because we know how to prevent it. Even if it doesn't breed on past this next potantial generation, that's still another whole set of horses that didn't need to be born in the first place, having the potential to have HYPP and die excrutiating deaths.

If a horse that is HYPP N/H is bred to a horse that is HYPP N/N, the resulting foal has a 25% chance of ending up HYPP N/H (I think), as smrobs said.

bubba13 11-27-2011 11:06 PM

HYPP N/H horses aren't the same as carriers. They are afflicted invididuals suffering from a genetic disease that can, in the worst case scenario, be fatal. N/H horses can become symptomatic at any time, even if they've gone 20 years without an attack, which is why many people consider them to be unsafe for riding horses--you sure don't want your mount collapsing out from under you in the middle of a trail ride. Generally speaking, N/H horses are less severely affected than H/H horses, but there are no absolutes, and they can still have a very bad form of the disease. There are dietary and exercise methods for reducing some of the risk, but again, there are no absolutes and no guarantees. HYPP can be miserable for a horse.

Breeding an N/H mare to an N/N stallion means 50% N/H foals and 50% N/N foals; breeding her to an N/H stallion means 50% N/H, 25% N/N, and 25% H/H.

aspin231 11-27-2011 11:07 PM

Thanks Bubba, you're more knowledgeable on HYPP than I am.


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