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asdfgh596 12-12-2011 02:10 PM

Will a horse stop running if swallowing blood
During a race if a racehorse starts swallowing there blood after biting there tongue will it make them stop running. And should you use a tongue tie and a figure eight at the same time. Also her tongue was cut in two places on both sides of the tongue bleeding bad. The tie was completly full of blood. Let me know if this is normal or should we run without anything, No tongue tie or figure eight. also can you tell me what exactly a figure eight really does for the racehorse.

equiniphile 12-12-2011 02:47 PM

If this is true, you need a vet out. This warrants medical attention and experience that you do not have. It is not normal for a horse to cut his tongue and be bleeding, and he should not be run or even worked with a bit in his mouth until the situation has been remedied.

Corporal 12-12-2011 02:57 PM

I guess my jaw dropped when you suggested anything that would make your horse's mouth bleed. God designed the horse's mouth with a gap between the teeth, and that's where we put a BIT, and hopefully the horse has been trained to it so he doesn't bloody his mouth with it when ridden. The ONLY time I touch any of my horse's tongues is when I pull the tongue to the side--as Vets often do--to show kids at a local living history demo (we do every year) what their teeth look like and how to tell the age of horse by it's teeth.
The only way you'll be able to work this horse for awhile is bitless. This injury will take a long time to heal.

Pyrrhic 12-12-2011 03:53 PM

Seeing as all your posts lend themselves to less than savoury horse training methods I have to assume you are ignorant, or a troll. I'm going with the latter as it seems you are posting about old-school barbaric training methods to get a rise out of people.

GotaDunQH 12-12-2011 04:54 PM

Wait....are you saying you own a race horse and your horse bit it's tongue during a race? If you own a race horse, do you have a trainer?? A trainer knows how to tie the tongue so this doesn't happen. Guess I'm a little confused about this post to begin with.

asdfgh596 12-12-2011 05:57 PM

Lets start here in the Horse racing industry they Tie there horses tongues. I dont like to be called ignorant or a Troll. Im not a bad person Im just trying to find out why this may have happened to this horse it has never happened before.

Cherie 12-12-2011 05:57 PM

Yes, some horses have to race in a tongue tie. Sometimes a bit holder works to keep a horse's tongue under the bit and sometimes it doesn't and the trainer has to tie the horse's tongue -- and it has to be tied correctly. [A bit holder is a red rubber device that goes around each side of the bit between the horses mouth and Dee Ring on the bit and holds it up in the horse's mouth. It comes across the nose and up in-between its eyes and fastens to the crown of the bridle.]

A figure 8 does something completely different. It keeps that horses mouth shut without restricting its air.

When I applied for my first Trainers' License, I had to pass a 'hands on test' and had to show how each was properly applied and explain why they might be needed.

So, they all have their proper place in a race trainer's barn and a qualified trainer should know how they are used. If a horse has cut its tongue, it has gotten it over a bit in a race or fast workout. And, yes, a horse will 'quit' if they do.

If you now a horse like this , the owner needs to have a long talk with the trainer and probably needs another trainer. If it is an 'owner/trainer', they probably need to get a 'real' trainer. [Owner/trainer licenses are easier to get because these people do not train for the public. I've seen a few that were that stupid and they sure needed a real trainer.]

Speed Racer 12-12-2011 06:03 PM

According to your other posts on this same subject, the person who did this to the horse is your own BROTHER, so why don't you ask him the reasons behind what he did?

What exactly is it that you want from people? For us to tell you how awful your brother is, and that he's a horrible human being?

asdfgh596 12-12-2011 06:17 PM

thx for the responce
Cherie thank you so much for the responce our groom tied the tongue. Is it possible to tie the tongue and put the bit under the tongue while appling the bridal before the race or workout. THX SO MUCH

VelvetsAB 12-12-2011 07:20 PM

This is what I said in your other thread about tounge ties and figure 8 nosebands.


Originally Posted by VelvetsAB (Post 1262274)
What exactly do you need help with?

Tongue ties are frequently used in the Standardbred industry, but I have never seen a horse bleed from it.

I would guess that the horse bit her tongue somehow, because the tongue tie doesn't go at the front of the mouth, it goes at the back, where the bit is.

It sounds like this horse is very busy with their tongue, hence the tie and figure 8. Much safer to tie their tongue then risk the horse getting it over the bit, and having a run away horse situation.

Pasteing it here, because my answer is still the same.


Originally Posted by Pyrrhic (Post 1263439)
you are posting about old-school barbaric training methods to get a rise out of people.

How is tongue tieing barbaric or old school? My grandparents have a horse right NOW that goes in a tongue tie.

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