Can someone please tell me what colour they think these guys are;
They have got there winter woolies on but the stallion is very golden palomino with i think two white socks on his back legs and the mare is normaly black and white ( you can see in one photo)
I'm confused, you're asking what color they are but you state their colors in the OP? If you already know what color they are, then what, exactly, are you asking?
I wanted to know the black and whites 'tobiano' thing because i want to put themin the foal colour calculator and the palomino i wasnt 100% sure if he because of his socks needed a white name (like tobiano sorry not sure what the appropriate name would be)
Possible colors will depend on agouti status and zygosity, but you've got at least a 50% chance of tobiano, on a base color of black, sorrel, bay, smoky black, buckskin, or palomino. Or brown, I suppose, but doubt. 50% chance of cream or no cream.
Genetic testing only. Although the mare is definitely agouti-negative, so it's all down to the stud. What color were their parents? That can narrow it down.
The palomino's father was palomino as for the mare we have no idea, the palomino has sired foals before and we saw 2 that we also palomino. When the mare was with us she had one brown foal. (if that helps)
your welcome, I have an Icelandic mare that's similar in color with the browns, black and white, she's pretty much throw all the colors, buckskin, palomino, black, a sorrel. i think mine is a smokey black though.
If she were a brown and white tobiano her muzzle would be brown not black. It doesn't matter if the flanks and behind her eyes are brown in the winter. A lot of black horses stay a little sunburned throughout the winter, giving them brown spots in the fur. The palomino could be sabino, but I'm not sure. Either way, it really wouldn't affect if you get spots or not. You still only have a 50% chance of the foal being spotted, unless both the mare's parents were spotted, then she is VERY likely homozygous for spots. The ONLY way to know for sure what you have is to contact either UC Davis for color genetic testing or you can also use University of Kentucky for genetic testing.
If she were a brown and white tobiano her muzzle would be brown not black. It doesn't matter if the flanks and behind her eyes are brown in the winter. A lot of black horses stay a little sunburned throughout the winter, giving them brown spots in the fur.
I understand perfectly well that black horses sun burn and go brown in places. I also understand that this can happen in both summer and winter coats. I live in Australia, I am well aware of the sun.
However. A black horse will bleach first in areas that have the most sun shining on them. Just like a person. You don't burn on your belly if you are tanning your back. A horse is the same - the soft areas along their belly is the LAST place you would expect to see the heaviest bleaching. This is why paler colour in the lower flank is such a good indicator of brown - you can assume the flank should be one of the darker spots on a bleached black.
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