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MoodIndigo 01-09-2012 11:14 PM

Those Germans Are So Smart!
 
I can't tell you how much I love the German training scale. Really, I use it every ride! Once you understand how to achieve each step in the pyramid, and ride them, and feel them, it's so crazy how well it works. No matter what discipline you ride, it's useful for any warm up.

This is my pyramid.. Is yours the same? Different? Thoughts? Opinions?
Let's start a discussion!

Rhythm
Relaxation
Contact + Connection
Impulsion
Straightness
Collection

kitten_Val 01-10-2012 08:08 AM

When I started last year with my trainer we started with impulsion and straightness. And to me it makes lots of sense: no impulsion - no connection, no rhythm, no transitions, etc. Then rhythm and connection were built on top of it.

DuffyDuck 01-10-2012 08:16 AM

I was taught to ride in Germany, and have only ever ridden under German instructors who reached the top in dressage- they're a dime a dozen. I reached what you would call third level on my school master before selling him and now bringing on my youngster.

Not once have I ever heard of a training scale, only correct riding ;)

Out of yours, however, if I was going to put it in my order, I would be the same as Val

Impulsion
Contact + Connection
Collection
Relaxation/Straightness
Rhythm

bsms 01-10-2012 08:44 AM

How is the list "No matter what discipline you ride, it's useful for any warm up"? And how do you define those terms?

I'm not going to debate them as goals of dressage...I've read about dressage, including these phrases, but I don't ride dressage or follow it. But I don't see how a list of words is useful for anyone warming up a horse...when I'm warming up a horse, a lot depends on what I want to do that day and where the horse has problems.

DuffyDuck 01-10-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bsms (Post 1301646)
How is the list "No matter what discipline you ride, it's useful for any warm up"? And how do you define those terms?

I'm not going to debate them as goals of dressage...I've read about dressage, including these phrases, but I don't ride dressage or follow it. But I don't see how a list of words is useful for anyone warming up a horse...when I'm warming up a horse, a lot depends on what I want to do that day and where the horse has problems.


I have no idea about western AT all, so I can't comment :oops:~

HOWEVER, the list noted below for ANY style of English riding should be used to warm the horse up. Impulsion to stretch the horse, contact to help with the connection from behind, relax the horse, get it straight under saddle and collect it- whether it be a plod in the school, a dressage, jumper or eventer.
The principles are the same for any discipline, its what you do to develop it, and afterwards that changes- as in go in to pirouttes or jump a 3ft.

gypsygirl 01-10-2012 08:57 AM

why does straightness come in so late ?

DuffyDuck 01-10-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsygirl (Post 1301654)
why does straightness come in so late ?

I'm viewing this as I ride my youngster- should have put that in eventually.

Straightness for me is not only straight whole school, its about the horse being able to balance itself without me holding it up with my legs, and using my legs to make sure it goes correctly.

I do a LOT of school figures, we very rarely go whole school unless we're lengthening the trot some.

So, I work on everything else, get the impulsion from behind, contact and connection from my seat, and reins, collect her from behind and then, once we've achieved that, straightness and her balancing herself, should come fairly naturally.

I know you're more jumper, and maybe you'd put straightness further up (who wants to jump sideways ;D) but for basic warmup, and riding dressage, thats the order in which I would put it from my own experiences.

gypsygirl 01-10-2012 09:06 AM

interesting ! i do eventing, so i def do a lot of dressage too. i was always taught to start with forward and straight.

bsms 01-10-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuffyDuck (Post 1301652)
...HOWEVER, the list noted below for ANY style of English riding should be used to warm the horse up...

As a practical matter, how does that differ from warming the horse up by walking, checking for straightness, turns, going to a trot, checking him in turns, transitions etc for responsiveness, etc?

For example: CONTACT.

What does that mean? Contact with the horse's mind? Contact thru the bit (or halter & reins if you aren't using a bit)? Response to contact with calf and seat? And regardless of which of those it is, when would anyone ever ride a horse without contact - unless contact refers only to a bit?

When I warm up my horse with a rope halter, I want interaction with his mind, and response to my inputs. Is that contact? If it is just the bit, then wouldn't every English rider ride with some contact all the time?

In what sense is it a practical list that helps you get the horse ready for the main event?

kitten_Val 01-10-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsygirl (Post 1301660)
i was always taught to start with forward and straight.

Same here, and my trainer is a dressage trainer. If the horse is not straight you won't get far either in my experience.


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