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AKPaintLover 07-03-2008 04:20 PM

Gelding 6yr old & Breeding AI
 
I am ready to geld. my stallion Dez. We got a great colt out of him, and I am now looking AI for future foals. I am more interested in breeding for the purposes of improving my own heard rather than selling horses, so having my own stallion is fine, but not necessary. (My 10 year goal it to get another stallion with a few traits that I find myself wishing Dez had - a couple more inches, homozygous color, more of a performance record/pedigree, a little more energy!)

The market here as elsewhere is minimal for standing a stallion, and I can make a lot more money on him as a lesson horse, and will also be able to allow younger people to show him. He would be our best kids horse except that I have to constantly think about the fact that he is in tact....well I am ready to remove that factor.

We would like to breed our mare AI/SS next spring, but I would really like to geld dez this summer/fall (possibly at the same time as his colt). My question is...will it be really difficult to breed our mare AI with no stallion on the property? I know teasing can be invaluable. Is it worth waiting until after she is bred next year to geld?

Sara 07-03-2008 04:37 PM

I would suggest leasing a teaser stud for the breeding season. You might have to dig around to find one, possibly your vet could help on that front. Ponies and minis work great. You MIGHT be able to use your colt...I know all the mares pee for mine, at any rate. Never seen that done though.

AKPaintLover 07-03-2008 05:58 PM

In other words...very important to have a stallion around? I guess I should do some research into what is available before I go gelding everything on the property! :) I had planned on gelding our colt early (this fall).

Sara 07-03-2008 07:47 PM

Unless you want the vet out every day, or your mare is super-obvious at the very start of her cycle, yeah, I think its important :)

irisheyes12 07-06-2008 09:06 AM

First of all, I applaude you for chosing to geld your stud. The market is poor for both standing a stud AND selling foals so it makes sense. I'd go ahead and geld him and your colt off of him at the same time. You'll get a discounted rate from you vet and if your mare too the first time, you should have no problem getting her to take again...stallion on the property or not.

AKPaintLover 07-06-2008 08:50 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys. I will talk to the vet when he is out next week to do teeth (about teaser stallions in the area). I do want to take every precaution that we see she is in heat when sending for the AI, at a $1250 stud fee. + additional charges for each shipment.

It would be nice to start using Dez as a gelding soon...I don't think he would take long to adjust, as he is so untuddy anyway. I was hoping to geld the colt before 6 months old, but it would not be the end of the world to do it next spring if it would work to use him as a teaser. Would it work to use him as a yearling to tease his own dam?? I don't worry about her taking, but about us detecting her heat right away. :)

ArticMyst 07-12-2008 01:53 AM

Honestly it shouldn't take long for him to adjust if he is already well mannered. Pretty much all you are going to do is get rid of his breeding ability and high testosterone. (testosterone levels can take 1wk to 1mth to drop from stud mode to gelding.) Most stallions at his age already are going to have a set personality / temperament though. So if hes a good stallion he will be a great gelding. If he were a bad stud, chances are gelding him will take care of the testosterone, but you are still going to have a bad horse. (no manners)

As far as AI goes, you don't need a stallion, you can use him as a gelding and have the vet give him a dose of testosterone for the season. They make excellent teasers, but not as much attitude and no chance of accidental breeding. Once she shows heat you should have your vet come out and ultra sound her to see what her ovaries and cervix are doing. This is the only real way of knowing when the best time to send for semen is. She may be showing heat but that doesn't mean shes ready to breed. AI can be a very costly procedure, but It is well worth it for many people. If you spend more money getting this done then you will spend less in the long run. Then if you don't catch her at the right time and have to ship more semen.

Oh, and you could use your colt to tease her as long as he is starting to notice mares. So It really would depend on his maturity at the time. Other then that he's not going to care about who the mare is, she's in heat!!! :lol:

This is all coming from past knowledge, via my boyfriend.. He is a professional equine reproduction specialist. So If I am a tad off on my vocabulary thats why...lol

AKPaintLover 07-12-2008 03:27 PM

Thanks for the great information!

ArticMyst 07-12-2008 05:54 PM

You're very Welcome, I hope it helped a little. :wink:

kickshaw 07-13-2008 03:11 AM

silly question maybe, but why not use dez as the teaser as a gelding? i'm sure he will not have forgotten his ladies 8)

side story: there is an arab stud (baskeafire, i think) that they got "ready to deliver on the dummy mare" using a gelding. Poor guy was humiliated :lol:


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