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HarleyWood 01-22-2012 11:30 PM

getting a trot?
Okay so im looking for another thing for my Gelding to show in. he will be my barrel horse and i was thinking halter, hes a paint. hes almost 5 and is 16.2-3 hh, and he has shin splints but everyday i check on them to make sure they dont bug him and he wears sport boots everytime i work with him. he has 2 scars on his legs one on each front leg. ones a little one 2cm by 2 cm and another he just got in december thats about 2in by 1cm and they dont seem to bug him. would those count against me? also hes really really sensitive with his face (nose, lips, chin, muzzle) hes pink skined with an apron face. he will walk next to me with an okay head. but wont pick up a trot and is okay pivoting (needs help) and when he backs he puts his head up. any advise to get his head down? pivoting? trotting? and where to get a show halter and lead for a large headed horse? hes in large halters.

Skyseternalangel 01-22-2012 11:46 PM

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I've taught some horses to trot on read by lunging them and then slowly I get closer and start "running" with them and eventually I'm running by their shoulder.

My horse just did it when I asked all I did was change my pace and he picked up a trot.

Good luck

waresbear 01-22-2012 11:53 PM

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Shin splints are a flaw, as the horse does not have clean legs. Depends on your competition as well. 2 horses being pretty much equal, judge will pick the one with clean legs. The way to get your horse to trot out with you is to carry a dressage whip in your left hand (your right hand is closest to the horse and holding the lead), when you go to trot, cluck to him and tap him behind YOUR back to reach his butt with the whip. It only takes a few times and they will trot with you.

HarleyWood 01-23-2012 06:26 PM

i didnt ask about the shin splints just explaining about them. i also tryed the whip thing doesnt work with him he just turns and looks at me.

waresbear 01-23-2012 06:30 PM

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Then you're doing it wrong, a really good instructional video is by Richard Shrake, Showmanship.

HarleyWood 01-23-2012 06:54 PM

or that doesnt work on all horses. not all horses can be trained the same way.

Roberto 01-24-2012 04:54 PM

I can't comment on the video, but is your horse naturally lazy or when you are walking him on the lead does he walk faster than you and you have to constantly check him back?

My mare is very forward. When I practice, I use a rope halter and a 12ft. lead. For my mare I would walk, then walk fast and then get my life up (body language) and then I would kinda jog in place (about the speed that you were walking) then I would "click to her" and begin moving more forward-out front. We had a couple times of me going forward at the jog and her not picking it up, so there was a hard pull on lead and me coming to a stop pretty quickly. Then I would do it again and by the second time or so she was picking up the trot. Now when I want her to go from the stop to the trot or from the walk to the trot I only have to move my arms slightly forward, maybe a quarter of an inch, no clicking and we are off trotting. Of course we have been working on this for about 9 months, it didn't come over night. I work my showmanship every time I go to ride. So we are practicing some part of it at least 4 times a week. Either perfecting the trot off, or our turn on the haunches or whatever I feel we are weakest at.
She is still a little lazy turning on her haunches. So, I get her moving, sometimes I need to give her shoulder a tap and then we go back to being in frame and moving around. I always watch her left hind to make sure she does not move it, if it looks like she is going to move it, I have my que word "here" to tell her not to do it.
As for the head up, my mare used to do this, because it was the only way to get her to stay set back on her haunches to pivot. But as she has gotten better at the pivot, I have lowered my hand and made her turn with her head lower. Again, I really watch that back foot and if it looks like she is going to move it, I say "here" and stop her before she does then we continue on. Of course this is in the practice, once we are in the show ring there is no stopping, just praying she doesn't move it. Sometimes you need to feel whether they need to be asked forward a little bit or do they need to be pushed back a little bit.

I also always set her up when I come to a stop. Whether she is in her halter or I have dismounted from riding and am on my way back to the hitching post. I ask her to set up, this way she knows that when we come to a stop she needs to have all four feet lined up. She now sets herself up about 70% of the time, I don't have to ask her to do it. Hopefully by the time show season really gets going this year, she will be at 95%.

As for a big halter, I was lucky enough to find mine used at a consignment store, it was still $150. But if you go to Stateline tack or some other online tack store, if you just buy a nice leather halter, you should be fine. Especially if this is your first year showing and it is just going to be around your local area. The judge really doesn't care how much silver your horses halter has on it. They want your horse to be clipped, bridle path, face, ears (at least around the outside, unless they are really, really fuzzy), and around the coronet band. Unless they have white socks, then shave those up as well. Also is your horse shiny and not necessarily Show Sheen shiny, healthy shiny, tail clean and mane laying down and looking nice. Also the halter needs to fit properly, this may mean putting in some additional holes over the pole. The cheek strap should fit snuggly under the jaw, the nose band should be up and fitted closley to the face, not hanging down. Tried to find a picture to show you, but couldn't locate any. I'll look some more. Good luck.

Skyseternalangel 01-24-2012 05:17 PM

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Which video??

GotaDunQH 01-30-2012 04:51 PM

To the OP, you need to be at his head and PUSH him forward with your lead hand to get him to trot. Do not pull him, but push him. My suggestion, get SMS lessons and get tips live and in person from someone you know who does SMS. Don't get the Shrake is very outdated for what SMS is today.

ilovemyhorsey 04-23-2012 06:25 AM

every horse is different, you cant expect them all to respond to the same training. i have met a few horses who wont trot in hand or have other problems but i have found that thinking completely out of the box and weird sometimes does the trick it may not seem like its working but it will probably be a very slow progress thing. so for the trotting in hand have him saddled up and have the halter under the bridle and have someone ask him to trot on his back but at the same time the person on the ground asks him to trot verbally as well and then this may work but then slowly start to wean him off the riders command. it will take a while but you might find that your horse responds to this instead. many horses will not respond in the way we want them to with the whip hitting them. i hope this helps :) :)

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