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AKPaintLover 07-14-2008 03:46 PM

Proud Cuts
I have decided to geld my 6 yr. old stallion Dez in the relatively near future, but would like to still be able to tease our mare for breeding AI to a stallion in FL. You can read more about the topic here:

My questions are:

what exactly is involved in proud cutting? Side effects? Complications? Would he still have to live alone?

What is involved in freezing seamen (from my stallion) to keep?

What is the normal AI breeding process. One of our two vets in town began going on about hormone therapy - I don't think the other vet is as inclined to doing that.

Also best age to geld a colt? (ours is two months now)
What should I be aware of/prepared for when gelding Dez (my six year old)?

Any information about any of this would be greatly appreciated.

Please check out the original thread I linked above to give a more complete picture of everything if this makes no sense. :) :)

barefoothooves 07-14-2008 04:16 PM

Why would you want to purposly proud cut a horse? Most people try hard to avoid such a thing. I would NOT vote to have it done intentionally just to have a teaser horse.

If you want him gelded, have it done right. If you want a stud, keep him intact. Or , geld him and use a real stud to tease with.

Who wants the potential of the nasty side of the behavior of a stud..and all his frustrations at being a teaser anyways? If you ever decide to sell him I would think it would make it a shade more difficult as he'll be more competative in a herd less suitable to be in a group. He can't breed but has all the desire and willingness to cover mares and protect, just for teasing or to maintain a proud carriage is a poor reason to leave a horse "mentally intact" and irresponsible as an owner, in my book. If you can't keep the horse, for whatever reason...he could end up abused out of fear if he ever acts aggressively or condemn him to a life of loneliness because he can't be left with the herd.

I dunno, just seems wrong to me to have it done that way on purpose.

AKPaintLover 07-14-2008 04:29 PM

As I really don't know much about it, that is why I decided to ask about side effects and consequenses of doing a proud cut. I was not aware that it was not done intentionally.

barefoothooves 07-14-2008 04:42 PM

Oh, I hope I didn't come across as harsh. Didn't mean to be rude..just strong opinions! thought about it after I posted and it could have seemed that way. Sorry!

mlkarel2010 07-14-2008 04:48 PM

I've met people who have done it intentionally. Why they did that I don't know. They really had no justifyable reason...

Gingerrrrr 07-14-2008 05:03 PM

what does proud cut mean? like he has all the qualities of a stallion but he just cant breed-(has no sperm) someone explain please =)

iridehorses 07-14-2008 05:06 PM

AKpaint, here is a good article that explains a "proud cut" and suggests when to cut a colt.

mlkarel2010 07-14-2008 05:15 PM

^^^ good article, I learned a lot!

What i want to know is more of the complicated stuff like, do vets do it intentionally everywhere (I think some people around here will)

and more of that kind of stuff

Appyt 07-14-2008 06:31 PM

I have certainly never heard of a vet doing it intentionally. Not sure if they would do so if asked. More people are bothered by the possibility that a horse is proud cut than the option of wanting it..

IMO, it is not a good thing to do.

AKPaintLover 07-14-2008 06:31 PM

Thanks for the article. :) I have read many articles that say what that one did about gelding younger being associated with a taller horse because of the growth plates. When I spoke with the one vet in our area about it, he did not seem to know about that...I wonder if the other vet will be more intuned to it.

It sounds like proud cut is not the way to go...not a bit deal, even if I can't tease our mare, I can have the vet do US on her as JDI suggested (in my other thread) or lease a teaser pony as Sara suggested.

barefoothooves, you did come across a bit strongly, but I know where you are coming from :) I always like to consider all possible outcomes of any decision I make...that is why it usually takes me a long time to finally settle on a decision. I like reading articles, books, asking horse forum friends, getting as much info as possible before doing anything major with or to my horses. You should have seen the posts I had up when looking for a stud to breed our mare AI to...:)

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