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Iv recently been watching alot of Monty Roberts clips online, Iv read articles and Im on his mailing list. I find his work and techniques extermely interesting, so I was thinking of joining his online university, it'd be a great help for working with my own horses, but theres only one girl registered in Ireland that has done his course so I think thered be a great opportunity for work.. but before I do anything I was just wondering has anyone on here done the course/met him/had him train their horse etc etc .. any feedback welcomed :smile:
I have met Monty Roberts in person. He has used one of my horses for a demo horse at a clinic. I have read a couple of his books.
As a person, in my opinion, the man is a SOB. However, he is very good with horses. I like the results I get from using the methods I leaned that day talking to him and watching him work my horse. I think his ideas of horses are spot on - but his people skills are zero.
I have not seen his online university, but were I still interesting in training (I am old and broken at this point and ride only my horse), I would probably be very interested in it.
Now, he has a very bad reputation, but it is really based on that he really really annoys people. When I spent that day with him, I leaned more in one day than I had learned in the previous five or six years working as a full time trainer.
This is all hearsay so take it for what it is worth....
I have heard the same as Yadlim, that he is a SOB. A trainer I worked for that used to show against him "claimed" that he was not very kind to his horses, however that may have been well before his clinic days...
I also knew I guy that used to date one of his adopted daughters.
Some people like his methods. He is not as "trendy" as the other ones out there. I am not sure that you being a graduate of his course would insure training work for yourself. But then again you could say that about any clinician.
After Horse & Rider magazine, Time magazine and his own family absolutely shredded Monty Roberts in print in the wake of Roberts' book The Man Who Listens To Horses (H&R discovered a lot of fact problems, Time did as well, and his family wrote its own book (Horse Whispers & Lies) and blew him up), I decided to take anything he says with a grain ... uh, actually it's more like a whole salt-lick block's worth of salt.
That said ...
I can't speak to his training methods but I tend to judge trainers on their own merits rather than who they're trained by. (At least, I tell myself I do that. It gives me something to aspire to.) If it works for you, go for it.
I am not interested in Mr. Roberts social skills, but his horse skills. There was a lot of criticism about his riding a horse all day during the making of the film, but did anyone think how hard it was on him at his age. He hadn't done that in a long time. I think he suffered a lot more than the horse.
I had no idea that people would find him so annoying, like Iv seen pictures of him up close and couldnt help but think he wears a bita makeup lol but didnt think much after that. Iv was reading a comment on another forum about the online uni, it said that you can do most of the course online and then go out to his ranch for part of it.. is that true?
In regards to the comments about his personal life, I think when people are in the spotlight your always gona get ones that "spice" up a story for extra attention or ones that are just plain annoying... tbh Id just turn a blind eye to anything like that, Id be there to learn the skills of how he can work with horses, because no matter how he is on a personal level you can doubt his horse skills.
He done a demonstration in Ireland last year and it was unreal how his "tammed" this crazy horse, they had the owner at the side of the ring, we old women, she seemed to be having a great time lol was just wondering has any1 on here had their horse used in a demonstration? do you have to pay him to use your horse or send in your horses CV lol if somethings coming up? just would be very interesting to find out if he came back to dublin..
It's a money grab, for what you learn, spend it getting private lessons.
My horse was used as a demo horse by Monty Roberts.
It went sort of like this...
A friend of mine had a two year old who was about a month older than mine and showed up at my boarding stable one day and told me to load up my two year old gelding. On the way to the fair grounds, she informed me that Monty Roberts was looking for a two year old to start for his demo that night.
So we got to the fair grounds, unloaded, and stood in line with about 20 other horses. About half of them were two year olds, the rest were older horses.
It turned out that he was looking for four horses, not one. They wanted; one two year old to start under saddle, one bucker, one that would not load into a trailer, and one with bad ground manners.
One at a time, in the order of arrival, each owner lead their horse to the round pen and handed them to a handler. The owner then went and sat and had a 15 minute conversation with Roberts while the handler pushed the horse around the pen and was evaluated by two different vets for soundness.
After all the horses had been looked at, everyone was brought back into the arena, horses in tow, for the big choice... Add dramatic pause here... and of all things to be embarassed about, my twerp of a colt was chosen to be the bad ground manners horse. Sigh.
Everyone who offered up a horse was given two front row tickets. The chosen horses went into stalls. We did leave long enough to go grab a fast food lunch as I did have my eight year old daughter with me, but other than that 20 minutes, my horse never left my sight. Four hours later the demo began.
Roberts started with starting a cute 2 year old buckskin. In less than an hour, she accepted saddle, bridle, rider and was working somewhat smoothly at w/t/c.
Next up was a horse who hated small spaces to the point that it had taken four people ten minutes to get her into the stall. Thirty minutes later she loaded into a slant three trailer at liberty.
Mine was the next. He came into that arena like a wild child paying no respect to the man leading him. Twice he tried to bolt into the audience and several times he reared. Now, the first two horses pushed around the round pen, by Monty Roberets at a canter, not my horse. He likes to trot, and trot is what he did. Roberts loved the opportunity to point out that speed is NOT the issue. It did take about 25 minutes to get my horse to join up, but then he did everything Roberts asked of him. Calmly, without rearing, he ground drove, lunged, picked up his feet, and just relaxed. He walked out of the arena completly calm and relaxed.
The last horse was a bucker... Now I will say that Roberts did a good job workign with that horse, but I don't think she was fixed.
I was also given a couple videos on ground manners and a soft cotton lead line for letting them use my horse.
My boy, who had a tendancy to rear at the drop of a hat, did not rear again for over seven years.
I don't like him, I don't like how he is with horses, and I would not respect anyone that got a degree from his university (meaning they don't automatically get my respect simply because they had a degree from his university, they would have to prove themselves to me).
This is my personal opinion, and honestly, my opinion shouldn't really matter to you in your own decision making. The man gives me the creeps and he is sleazy. I can't watch 5 seconds of him without getting chills and being disgusted.
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