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HarleyWood 03-25-2012 12:34 AM

bits and moms?
 
okay so my moms 3 year old is hyper and she lounged him a little and then we rode but she still seemed tense and had the reins pretty tight. and i kept asking her "you scared? or something?" but she said she wasnt, i told her that is my horse bucks (hes very hard to control and if he wants to get out of soemthing he bucks...) and takes off and i fall to get off safely then check on me and then worry about my horse (we were close to home) and id do the same, so she said she was scared about what would happen but i wanted to have a plan just in case something happend. nothing did but she kept holding him tight, so i kept telling her relaxed. so when we got back i rode him around a bit and we cantered in the yard nad had fun, but he kept trying to steer off and wouldnt let me his head. hes in a snaffle and i would like to get him something a little bit harsher for more control for my mom, hes still young and she got bucked off a few years back.

what a good bit to move up too? and to get my mom to relax? shes seen me ride him many times and hes never really bucked, or reared.

themacpack 03-25-2012 12:53 AM

This is not a bitting issue, imo, at all. Your mother needs to work with a trainer who can help her to become a confident/competent rider. The horse sounds as though he would also benefit from some work with a trainer who can help him to become a confident/competent mount.

BooBear 03-25-2012 12:58 AM

^^ I agree. It sounds like a confidence issue. If a trainer isn't a feasible option, is it possible to keep her in a more enclosed area? Like an arena or a round pen to work? I find it's easier to build confidence when working inside instead of outside in a yard. Making a mistake seems much scarier when you have to worry about where your horse might run off to or how you'll catch him if you fall.

HarleyWood 03-25-2012 01:11 AM

she doesnt need a trainer, shes ridding most of her child hood and then 10 years ago when i got in it, shes riddin my wild TWH and my QHs adn many others but shes ridden him twice, not everyone needs a trainer, adn he doesnt hes fairly broke but my mom was walking my Gelding away and i wasnt really steering him and i would like a harsher bit, and if i get no sugestions ill jsut get one for him.

HarleyWood 03-25-2012 01:14 AM

he would run home and stay there so its not hard, i just wanted a plan just in case something happened. and she wanted to go down the road. and our round pen is up but in dirt and she sneezes ALOT so wwe cant yet till we put it up outside.

smrobs 03-25-2012 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by themacpack (Post 1422812)
This is not a bitting issue, imo, at all. Your mother needs to work with a trainer who can help her to become a confident/competent rider. The horse sounds as though he would also benefit from some work with a trainer who can help him to become a confident/competent mount.

^^This. Only this.

If you bitted up this horse to give your mom more power so that she could feel safe on a horse she won't feel safe on anyway, then she'll still have a death grip on the reins. Putting a stronger bit in his mouth until she learns how to ride better will only ruin his mouth for good.

themacpack 03-25-2012 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by smrobs (Post 1422838)
^^This. Only this.

If you bitted up this horse to give your mom more power so that she could feel safe on a horse she won't feel safe on anyway, then she'll still have a death grip on the reins. Putting a stronger bit in his mouth until she learns how to ride better will only ruin his mouth for good.

Yes! This bit in particular:
Quote:

I would like to get him something a little bit harsher for more control for my mom,
really struck me as some questionable reasoning. If your mother is not comfortable on the horse, it hardly seems sensible to "punish" the horse (as it would be) by putting him in a harsher bit in an attempt to make your mother more comfortable. If she is uncomfortable on the horse, she needs to not be on him.
That said, your whole "stomp my foot and toss my hair - 'I'll just get one for him anyway'" response to not hearing what you want says it all. I am sorry, but if your mother is riding with a deathgrip on his face, she does need to work with someone who can help her regain her lost confidence. Your asking "you scared" repeatedly does not help - you telling her how to handle being thrown, etc is NOT going to help. Everything you describe is a person who is NOT comfortable riding the horse she was on and a horse that is paying the price for that. Putting a harsher bit in his mouth that she can then maintain her deathgrip on will only further destroy her confidence as he will NOT respond kindly to the change or treatment - then you can have a destroyed rider and horse. But, hey, you're going to do it anyway so have at it.

smrobs 03-25-2012 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HarleyWood (Post 1422831)
she doesnt need a trainer, shes ridding most of her child hood and then 10 years ago when i got in it, shes riddin my wild TWH and my QHs adn many others but shes ridden him twice, not everyone needs a trainer, adn he doesnt hes fairly broke but my mom was walking my Gelding away and i wasnt really steering him and i would like a harsher bit, and if i get no sugestions ill jsut get one for him.

If she can't ride the horse properly because she has fear then she needs someone who knows how to help her overcome the fear, i/e a trainer.

Bitting this horse up and ruining his mouth is not going to make her fear go away. If she is worried that she can't control the horse then perhaps she shouldn't ride him outside of a small pen...or maybe you should ride a horse that isn't going to buck you off and then go running back to the barn and scare the crap out of her young horse.

But, why even bother to ask anyway if you are just going to throw a hissy fit and ignore every bit of sensible advice you get.

Is this what you wanted? Someone to tell you "here, try these bits, he can't run off in these bits"? :evil:
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http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...a50f92dc125234

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...7065e7f5b641a7

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https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/im...EJgMs3Syxs3y86

I mean, after all, who cares if the horse's mouth gets ruined right?

When will people learn that it is not the bit that controls the horse, it's the training they get.

If the horse is out of control, then it needs to be trained, preferably by someone with a clue.

HarleyWood 03-25-2012 01:34 AM

it wasnt a death grip it was tight but he still had his head, while i had my geldings reins very loose, he still had his head and he still could move it it jad a little slack, but not much. and hes my horse but she rides him, he needs a harsher bit so what bit do you guys think? hes going to be barrel racing this year and he hasnt been doing well with a snaffle in,i had a bit in mind but i came on to see what you guys thought.

HarleyWood 03-25-2012 01:36 AM

hes not out of control hes fine you all think your horses are so great and everyone else that has a little problem shouldnt have one. i thought this site was saposta be nice and give advise not trainer because we all know you cant do a thing.


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