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CQTAN 03-26-2012 04:44 PM

Beating the gelding
 
Yesterday i canned the sale of my gelding as the new owner beat him with a whip to try to get him to float. !!!!! can not believe that a vet (new owner) would consider using this method to get respect from an x racehorse. I dont even have to use the whip when lunging him other then to show him that its there. Hes a smart boy and gets what it is and how it is to be used.

Floating my boy didnt seem like it was going to be a hassle. He loaded/unloaded fine when we bought him to his new agistment to be with me. He had been on trucks etc before and it all went fine. So i was under the assumption all was going to be ok.

New owner came to collect gelding yesterday. This man was not what he made himself out to be - said they had experience etc- all the signs were positive and pleasing. They showed me and talked of the knoweldge that they had - every t was crossed and and every i was dotted.

My gelding was a little weird yesterday when i went to collect him from paddock- i put that down to the horse that passed away the day before. I checked him over and made sure he was healthy and ok to move on. It took forever to walk from paddock to the round yard. I did nothing to change the routine prior to him being loaded on float. We had a little bit of quiet time , i groomed him (which he loves) gave him a scratch and then we lunged for a little while to burn a little excess energy and keep him supple and free moving - after all he was an athlete and needs to be excercised on reg basis (this is his form of excercise as i cant ride him yet). He was fine after lunging - no different to other times - not jittery just relieved to get the energy out - he seems to like the time we are together in the round yard. He listens and is content with taking directiona nd leadership from me. He really puts his heart into it.
So with the previous events in mind and the following it makes me think that there is a piece of a puzzle that is missing surrounding my boy.

The n/o came and we tried loading him for close to 2 hours , i know 2 hrs!!! the new owners wouldnt give up. they were kind and gentle and calm to start with then they lost there top and started getting nasty with him . I promptly canned the sale ! returned the money to the man and told him i was sorry about the misundstanding and hope that they find a suitable horse in the future. I was fumming that the man had hit him with the whip numerours times to get him up in to float and that when i was asking him to stop he refused to. We gave him some natural calming paste prior to loading- but it didnt help at all.

Needless to say that with all the coaxing and calm approaches ive seen adn tried this man didnt at all get it that you cant lose it at a horse- they will kill you or further more hurt you and them selves. One can only hope that this experience has not hurt my geldings future attempts at loading .

Any suggestions surrounding loading greatly appriecated ??????

pintophile 03-26-2012 08:05 PM

How exactly did the guy 'lose his top'? Was he taking the whip hard to the horse repeatedly, in an angry and aggressive manner? Everyone has a different opinion of what 'beating' is. I wouldn't classify smacking the horse on the arse a few times when it's being stubborn and resistant as beating.

Jessabel 03-26-2012 10:35 PM

I don't think using a whip is the right way to get a horse to load, whether you just tap him or not. It just makes them more afraid because they associate the trailer with being smacked.

The part that bugs me is that you asked him to stop and he ignored you. That's totally disrespectful, and I'd probably cancel a sale for that alone. Now, I can't say whether or not the guy actually was beating your horse, since everyone has a different idea of the term. But if you're not comfortable with a buyer for any reason, I think you're doing the responsible thing by refusing to sell. There's no way I'd let a horse go to someone who had lower ethical standards than I do.

And about the loading issue... I can guarantee you that it's going to be harder next time because he got away with it last time. He's learned that he can get away from the Metal Cave Of Death if he fights long enough. I know one really good cure, though. Tie a plastic bag to the end of a stick or whip and wave it behind him. That makes outside scarier than inside. It's worked on every single horse I've known that had loading issues. I knew a mare that would fight for three hours, but a trainer used the plastic bag trick and she hopped right on the trailer. She never had a problem again. :) It's worth a shot. Good luck!

franknbeans 03-26-2012 10:41 PM

Unless you have used that same plastic bag tied to a stick for 'bomb proofing' like many do.:-)

This is a really good time to do some (for lack of a better term) NH. All of them do some version of what I think PP calls the "squeeze game".....something like that. It is basically a driving type exercise. Has enabled most of the people I know to teach all of ours to self load. There may be some good videos on You boob.

Cowgirls Boots 03-26-2012 10:43 PM

You boob :rofl:
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franknbeans 03-26-2012 10:56 PM


THis is a CA one.....

Missy May 03-26-2012 10:59 PM

Wow, well good for you!! That would have done it for me!

In the past I have used a butt rope pretty successfully - as in, loaded them once or twice with the aid of the rope before they just stepped in on their own thereafter. But, I won't load my horses into a narrow or a "low ceiling" trailer - just stock trailers or slant load. Just my personal thing. If the butt roap had of failed, I would have used clicker. Either way, it takes a plan and patience.


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