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flyingchange1991 03-28-2012 12:37 PM

Want to be ready for show season!
 
Hello! my goal for this show season is to make it to champ show (last hurrah for saddle clubs and such) i have never shown western pleasure before and just started training my 13 year old mare in it this past winter. our only real problem is that she crow hops a little at the canter (but its almost gone so thats not really worrying me) what my real concern is that she doesnt seem to understand that once i face her up i want her to stay there, im getting really sick of facing over and over again because i know that wont fly in the show ring i have been doing a lot of figures and changes of direction which helps her slow down and focus but once we get back on the rail she speeds up again. (p.s. we think she was an ex-game horse so i dont know if that has anything to do with it) i was thinking about doing a lot of walk to jog to walk and stop-jog-stop transitions to slow her down on the straight ways would that help or just make it worse? any tips are appreciated!
p.s. her tack fits fine, her teeth are fine, and shes in a full cheek snaffle bit

oh vair oh 03-29-2012 02:36 PM

Transitions are great. Circles are great.

I'm assuming "facing" means collecting her head?

Making a great pleasure horse doesn't come quickly. You may have to hold and release her head quite a lot before she understands where it's supposed to be on a loose rein. Circling her will help this. I like the full-cheek, that's what I train babies in.

You'll want to learn how to side-pass and leg-yield at the walk, then the jog. Leg-yields are essential for getting the canter to slow down later on. Then transitions from the leg yield... backing her up and loping off... Flexing her head... there's a whole lot that goes into this business and it takes about a year to train a pretty good pleasure horse.

EDIT: End goal for leg-yields from a horse-show perspective where you can't circle or stop: Horse speeds up on the rail at the lope. Leg-yield at the lope on the rail. Horse collects himself and slows down. Back to straight.

spurstop 03-29-2012 09:18 PM

Right now it sounds like you are riding her off of her face. She really needs to be broke through her body and to the leg to get the consistent rhythm and cadence for pleasure.

Can you haul in for lessons with a pleasure trainer?

flyingchange1991 03-30-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by oh vair oh (Post 1429888)
Transitions are great. Circles are great.

I'm assuming "facing" means collecting her head?

Making a great pleasure horse doesn't come quickly. You may have to hold and release her head quite a lot before she understands where it's supposed to be on a loose rein. Circling her will help this. I like the full-cheek, that's what I train babies in.

You'll want to learn how to side-pass and leg-yield at the walk, then the jog. Leg-yields are essential for getting the canter to slow down later on. Then transitions from the leg yield... backing her up and loping off... Flexing her head... there's a whole lot that goes into this business and it takes about a year to train a pretty good pleasure horse.

EDIT: End goal for leg-yields from a horse-show perspective where you can't circle or stop: Horse speeds up on the rail at the lope. Leg-yield at the lope on the rail. Horse collects himself and slows down. Back to straight.

yeah facing is what my trainer calls it, never trained WP before so im not really sure what other people call it, now ive been having trouble with the side pass, i put my outside leg on her (to move her inside) and she will either speed up or try and turn around. i have also tried lining her up straight to the wall so she wont walk forward and asking her but then she will either swing her hip around so her face is not in the wall or she'll turn and go straight on the rail i am probably doing it all wrong do you have any tips?

flyingchange1991 03-30-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spurstop (Post 1430415)
Right now it sounds like you are riding her off of her face. She really needs to be broke through her body and to the leg to get the consistent rhythm and cadence for pleasure.

Can you haul in for lessons with a pleasure trainer?

yeah im working with a pleasure trainer now, she just says to keep facing her and rewarding when she does good, shes a little funny though she'll either dip her head down quick and back up and then i have to hold until she keeps it down for a bit, then when i release and tell her good girl she speeds up again? she has a good WP jog and lope, ive seen her do it on the lungeline, maybe its me?

Duren 03-30-2012 11:15 AM

Just as a side note, since your mare is 13 she'll need to be shown in a curb. I just saw that you mentioned you currently ride in in a snaffle.

flyingchange1991 03-30-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Duren (Post 1431179)
Just as a side note, since your mare is 13 she'll need to be shown in a curb. I just saw that you mentioned you currently ride in in a snaffle.

would it be different for WSCA showing? can we still do walk trot classes in a snaffle?

Duren 03-30-2012 11:39 AM

No, WSCA has the same rule. And I'm not 100% on this - but even if she was under 5 I dont think you can use a full cheek.

flyingchange1991 03-30-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Duren (Post 1431209)
No, WSCA has the same rule. And I'm not 100% on this - but even if she was under 5 I dont think you can use a full cheek.

thanks for the info, English pleasure it is! :D

spurstop 03-30-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flyingchange1991 (Post 1431155)
yeah im working with a pleasure trainer now, she just says to keep facing her and rewarding when she does good, shes a little funny though she'll either dip her head down quick and back up and then i have to hold until she keeps it down for a bit, then when i release and tell her good girl she speeds up again? she has a good WP jog and lope, ive seen her do it on the lungeline, maybe its me?


Does she ride off your leg and spur at all? Can you move her hip to the inside and ask her to push through? It sounds like you and your trainer are too worried about your horse's head position. If you get her legs right, her head and neck will follow.

It may be time to haul to another a trainer and see if you can see some difference and learn some new methods. I've never heard the term "facing" used to get a horse to give to the bridle.


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