2 1/2 months in - what do ya 'all think?
Okay, here's the latest set of front feet pics. He's due for another trim last week. I've got my ideas of what needs to happen next and would like confirmation from the experts.
Horse will walk fine on any surface including rocky stuff. Once I'm in the saddle, he still needs boots for out somewhat rocky riding ring and for some reason, the nice sand indoor arena. On grass he's an absolute monster, no problems whatsoever.
His movement is so improves it's nuts. It's like riding a different horse. His shoulders are much more free, he steps under himself better, he's using his back more than he ever did.
Okay, so onto the pics. Left first. I have no idea how to annotate each pic separately, so here's all the notes first.
Side pic, toe needs to come back a hair and needs more heel and to be brought back some more. Anyone have ideas of how to encourage a heel to come back, feel free to give me suggestions.
Solar pic, still working on tightening up that white line area. Nail holes have reached the bottom, so next trim should really help neaten that up.
45 degree angle pic, so far that's what we have for concavity. Don't know if there's more to come or that's it.
Right foot. I know that toe needs to come off, but with a club, do you back it up to the angle of where it grows out of the coronary band, or leave it a little sloped?
Heel shot, frog has yet to reach the ground. We've been bringing this one down gradually so as to not produce any problems.
Solar shots. not sure if this is "real" concavity since this is club foot. It always had depth to it, so I have no clue.
Could use some advice on how to proceed with this foot.
Sorry to say but I wouldn't be taking that horse bare over anything but soft ground, for a fair while yet. I'd also be padding inside his boots. I'd probably use frog support wedges too. How long ago did that abscess burst on the toe sole?
Both feet need some serious toe backing up, tho it looks like the club could need more. Both still have underrun heels, tho the club less so. Keeping the toes back should help resolve that. Yes, the toe shouldn't really be treated any different on the clubbed foot, but on the contrary, due to the extra toe pressure/leverage/angle, I'd be even more careful to avoid it becoming too long & flared. Appears there is also some flaring at the quarters. Frogs could do with a bit of a cleanup.
Abscess just popped two days ago. Must have been mild because he was showing no signs of being ouchy.
I have expressed to my trimmer that I want the toes shorter. The last trim, she said she hit the edge of the sole and that was as far back as she could take them. From the pics, does that sound correct to you? I don't know if we can take that back all in one shot or not. It's very confusing.
Why frog support pads? For the frog that's not touching the ground, or for the underrun heel foot? FYI, he's out 24/7 running around like an idiot, so he's only booted when we ride.
thanks for your help loosie.
Yeah, if she bevelled back to that high point/ridge, as it seems, that is probably as far as I'd go, but I'd make it a much stronger bevel, as with that gentle angle there is still a lot of ground pressure on the toe walls.
Yeah, I would only boot him to ride. Would probably use frog supports on both feet. Thick one on the club, to give some frog pressure to a heel that's otherwise out of action on level surface - which incs boots. I'd use a thinner one on the other foot, to allow *comfortable* heel stimulation & the little extra height under that frog should allow further relief for the crushed heels.
The flat left foot is going to be the hard one to rehab - you will see. I have been rehabbing a couple TBs with this very same hi low kind of issue.
If this were my horse, I would trim the bars well so that they slope and end at the mid point of the frog. I then would apply soleguard for constant stimulation and to "inflate" the back of this foot. This foot is like a flat tire to me as Missy Claire once said and it just stuck with me. Droopy and saggy and run forward. I would bevel the toe well back to proper break over after mapping the newly trimmed foot at a proper angle and alignment.
Bottom line....This foot will not move forward without the broken back axis being addressed via trim and a pour in pad IMO and the boney column being corrected and aligned with support for the very weak the back of the foot. It is going to take awhile. 6 to 9 months of proper trimming and building material and regaining proper angle with ALOT of movement.....give or take.
The other foot needs a proper bevel at the toe and the heels brought in line and soleguard wouldnt hurt it either. trimming those frogs up clean and gettign the thrush under control and some soleguard on top really wouldnt hurt one bit. Those are some thrushy looking frogs that could use a good trimming and cleaning.
On the crushed heel, should I maybe try a heel pad since that frog is already splatted out pretty well?
What is a pour in pad?
Question for both of you. Do either of you think this horse is a barefoot in front candidate? He is almost 10 years old. There is clearly a lot of correction that has to take place. I love his new big free shoulders gaits, but he is what he is. Am I wasting my time here? I'm happy he is doing so well with his hinds. I knew the fronts would be more of a crap shoot.
Sorry to triple post, but I am a knowledge freak and have time to paint. I marked up the side views with the blue lines indicating where I ultimately want these feet to be. Am I in the ballpark? Also, trim wise, how exactly do you encourage a heel to grow straight down and not forward? I see the hairline is curved over the flat foot heel area. If the quarters are relieved, will that take some of pressure off the heels?
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