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szurawik 04-11-2012 11:53 PM

Sold horse now cribbing
I sold a gelding in January and now the person wants their money back because he cribs and they say I didn't tell them he cribbed. They never ask if he cribbed, but he never cribbed while I had him or while he was at the trainers. Do I have to take the horse back and refund their money?

That One Chick 04-12-2012 12:00 AM

I have absolutely no experience selling horses, but that sounds sketchy to me. I wouldn't give their money back if it were me. Did you sign anything requiring so? If not, I don't think you have to.

Sorry for not really helping, lol.
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waresbear 04-12-2012 12:03 AM

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If the horse truly never cribs while he was owned by you, no refund. They have had the horse in their possession for almost 3 months, that is when the cribbing started. Why refund their money for a vice that began at their place?

CLaPorte432 04-12-2012 12:31 AM

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If he never did it while he was with you, but now he's doing it, there is something "off" in the way they are handling things. Is he stalled now to where he is bored? Or kept in a smaller area? Do they have sufficient grazing pasture where they are keeping the horse? Maybe there is an underlying physical issue that happened in their care, did they have a vet assessment?

If they don't want the horse anymore because of the vice, tell them you'll take him back, but no refund because he wasn't a cribber when he left your place.

Maybe they just don't like him and are trying to get an excuse to get their money back to purchase a different horse.

mildot 04-12-2012 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by szurawik (Post 1450463)
he never cribbed while I had him or while he was at the trainers. Do I have to take the horse back and refund their money?

No refund. The cribbing started after they had him in their possession.

And even if it did crib while he was yours, I fail to see how that is grounds for any refund.

As a matter of fact, unless there was a written sales contract, the horse is sold as-is. In that case it is incumbent on the buyer to do his due diligence with a vet examination.

It is really true the horse world has more crazy people than most others.

iridehorses 04-12-2012 08:01 AM

I returned a horse a few years ago because she cribbed. However, I called the former owner within a few days, not a few months. I was sold the horse as sound, but cribbing is an unsoundness. The deal was that I would have the coggins done and if it were positive or if the horse was unsound, that was a reason for undoing the sale. I should have looked at her teeth but neglected to this one time. I never would have taken the horse if I had seen the condition of her teeth.

IMO, if they called within a week, that is one thing, a few months, then "no".

crimsonsky 04-12-2012 01:23 PM

i don't think i've ever heard of cribbing called being "unsound" or being an "unsoundness". interesting.

Speed Racer 04-12-2012 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by crimsonsky (Post 1451187)
i don't think i've ever heard of cribbing called being "unsound" or being an "unsoundness". interesting.

It can affect their breathing and teeth depending on the severity, crimson.

OP, a week or two later maybe, but 3 months later? No. The horse could have started cribbing from stress and/or ulcers caused by something the new owners are doing.

iridehorses 04-12-2012 01:31 PM

At many auctions, it has to be stated. Here is an excerpt from an article that I found

Cribbing and so-called wind-sucking induce occasional attacks of colic from the quantity of air which is developed in the stomach, and both are associated with an irritable condition of the mucous membrane of the digestive organs, which we believe to be a cause of these remarkable acts. In a legal point of view cribbing and wind-sucking would amount to unsoundness if that term is construed strictly, and in some parts of the Continent the habit is recognized as sufficient to constitute a breach of warranty. In any case, a horse addicted to crib-biting or wind-sucking, or both, can hardly be said to be as useful for its intended purpose as an animal which is free from such defects. If there were no other objection to be urged, it would be sufficient to point to the well-known fact that the animal loses flesh and becomes thin.
This is the complete article: Crib-Biting

themacpack 04-12-2012 01:32 PM

As he never had this problem in your possession, and it has been three months, I would say it sounds like something in the way they are managing him has created the problem - not your issue, not anything you owe a refund for.

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