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Horse Won't lunge, stands there, turns in
So I've been working on lunging my horse, I've put many, many... many hours into failing at this. I have watched every video, read every article, had a few people show me how they would get the horse started..
Most of those mentioned above said to start with getting him to move out of your space. So I did, I started the jiggle the rope routine - little jiggle, bigger jiggle, huge rope wave, whipping horse in face/chin with rope wave. He will sometimes back up a couple steps once you really start whipping that rope up and down I always stop the SECOND he gives in and backs up). NO progress, after several sessions, several hours - he does not grow more responsive to the lighter jiggles. He will back up with backward pressure on his halter no problem, but the rope jiggle? no luck so far.
So I try to just get him start on lunging anyway. Usually, he will turn and face me and not budge. I can whip the ground harshly, whip near his feet, I've even tried (on the advice of other horse people there) to whip his butt finally, and no, he just stands there. We have also had people walk him in circles around me to simulate lunging, this doesn't work either.
I was considering tying a plastic bag to the end of my whip to give him some new thing to move away from other than the string, but have come crawling here for possible remedies to this also. I am paying attention to where my body points, where my eyes look, etc...
What can I do to move this giant lazy horse who fears nothing and no one!? Help me, horse forum people!
The rope jiggle back up takes time. But if your horse is truly lazy and not still learning, you have to get tough. I had a gelding like that who wouldn't move until the last possible second, and then he would just barely back up two steps. He clearly didn't respect my leadership. So, my trainer told me if he wants to be a "tough guy" than he can take a tough leader. So I shortened the intervals of pressure. I went light, straight to medium, straight to hard, and then I slammed down on that halter as hard as I could until he took some serious steps back. It's time to mean business. Make him a little bit afraid of you. I'll slam down on that leadrope AND pop him in the chest until he gets the hell out of the way. Otherwise he's just gonna stand there and laugh at you.
So here's how to initiate lunging:
1. Point in the direction you want him to go.
2. Start whirling your rope/stick closer and closer to his face with even rhythm.
3. Pop him on the nose with the rope/stick and release when he turns the correct direction.
Remember to KEEP providing direction with your hand at all times until he moves.
If he's a poot about it and moves into your pressure, going the way you did not want him to, haul off on him, get his attention, and then go straight for the nose again. But make sure your directional intentions are clear.
If you want to lunge and you are walking towards his butt, trying to whip it to get him to move off, you're going to be the one getting lunged. Aim for the face and shoulder for turning, the flank for speed.
You might also try round-penning with a lariat and scare the poop out of him with it.
1. Point direction.
2. Slap leg.
3. Pulse air.
4. Throw lariat at flank.
I have this problem with my horse and right now what we do is I literally lead in a small circle on a lead . I make the circle bigger gradually then I try to move away little by little. If I have a second person I have them stand in the middle holding the line and and a lunge whip and I walk right next to her on the outside. Again small circles to start with, I start with my arm out under her chin, not touching. Then slowly let it down and I slowly move away from her, then ill stop and the person in the middle keeps with her, always facing her shoulder
It's a really slow start bit it works so far for us. My horse was never lunged before I got her so she really had no idea what I was asking her to do. Hope this helps a bit!
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okay, first of all. MOVE TOWARDS YOUR HORSE when you do the jiggle the rope, get a stick and tap in the chest, MAKE him move tell him with your body "hey, move out of my space" make energy with yourself. not just the rope.
Work on that.
Then get your horse to "yield the hindquarters"
Have your horse pivot on his front feet and swing his butt around so he's looking at you. tell him to back up.
Keep doing that till you both really get it.
When you want to lunge him, take the line and hold it up high and pull and point in the direction you want him to go, tap his neck and cluck at him. once he gets going, stop the energy, but bring it RIGHT back when he starts to slow down or turn.
OH AND DO NOT MOVE YOUR FEET. YOUR HORSE DOES NOT LUNGE YOU, YOU LUNGE HIM!!!!
Research Clinton Anderson.
The only reason my horse lunges well is because of him, and she was EXACLTY like your horse.
She can change direction at the walk, and trot. and lots of fun stuff(:
sounds like a great start if he were all mine id do it but im afraid i have one of them moms that freak when her "poor baby" is being told what to do! my two others are all mine and they lunge ;)
although when he was younger i did try to use a lot of force thats how we got the walk... and the horse only listens to me to this day. hes a great baby sitter on the trail but running or hard work no one else can get him to move.
When I start a horse lungeing, one that has never been taught before, I start by walking them around the arena, gradually increasing the distance between us and keeping them away with the whip/ I have the line in my left hand (on the left rein) and the whip in my right. When they are walking parallel to me then I will ask them to turn around me, still keeping them out with the whip so they are on a very small circle, then when they get the idea of that I will increase their range.
With a horse that is being stubborn I can see absolutely no point in shaking the rope and asking him to go back - you want him to go forward, reverse can come much later.
If the horse just stands and turns in towards me then I am very fast to get behind it and use the whip to drive it forward. Crack the whip (and you want a proper lunge whip so you have the length) if that doesn't work then it will get two or three hard lashes around its back legs - and believe me, he will feel it when I do it and go forward fast.
You are being to slow and far to soft.
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Why does he need to lunge? He's watching you with both eyes, a sign that he's focused on you. If you really feel the need to lunge him hold the line to your left at shoulder height and tap his jaw rhythmically with the end of the lunge whip. (hold on to the lash). The moment he begins to move his head away, stop tapping and rub his cheek. Try again. He's learning that when he moves away you stop that annoying tapping. Be patient and accept the tiny increments that he give you. It's like connect the dots, suddenly the big picture comes together.
To get the horse move away from you, you need to go to the neck and shoulder, not the hind end. Put your hand up HIGH in the direction you want and go after that neck and shoulder to move it out of the way. Make sure to put pressure behind the drive line (basically the shoulder area) to get forward movement after the shoulder moves away.
If you have a round pen, do some round penning first with the same cues. If you don't have one then haul to a facility that does. After he is round penning well, hook up the rope and go from there.
I would highly recommend watching some Clinton Anderson videos on round penning and lungeing. He explains the technique very well and it works! You can pick up some of his older videos (even a VHS tape) on e-bay. For 20 bucks a month, you can join his club and watch several videos to learn this. It will be money well spent.
Good luck. I know you'll get there with more knowledge and practice.
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