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freia 04-23-2012 11:03 AM

has anybody heard of a Passier model 100 (old model)
I have a Passier PSP-VS from 1977. My friend loves it, so we;re trying to find her one just like it.
We found a saddle that looks just like mine, except it's foam-flocked instead of wool-flocked. She e-mailed Passier, and they said it's a model 100. It still has the PS-Baum tree.

Anybody ever heard of the 100?

unclearthur 04-23-2012 03:37 PM

Foam flocked panels are usually completely different animals to wool flocked. Especially old, tired ones. Unless the horse is easy to fit, I'd avoid :(

freia 04-23-2012 05:59 PM

We're thinking that for the $100 they're asking for it, she could always splurge a bit and have it reflocked with wool. The more I look at the pictures of it, the more I'm thinking that it's the same saddle as my PSP, just with foam instead of wool. If that's the only difference, then it has good bones and Santa can bring some wool. The only thing that isn't making sense to me is why Passier would have had a model that had foam panels instead of wool ones. It was made in 1974, and all their other saddles I've seen from the mid-70's have been wool-flocked. It just does seem a little weird.

unclearthur 04-23-2012 06:14 PM

By completely different I mean...completely different.

Obviously I haven't seen it but a foam panel usually means
(i) Panel is narrower, and thinner
(ii) Sweat flap (if present) may cover much of top panel face
(iii) Panel may not be completely enclosed in leather which means
(iv) Point pocket may be attached to foam (big problem)
(v) Rear gussets unlikely to be present

If the foam is completely leather clad it's probably possible to flock it, but it might not be a cheap conversion.

Just sayin'.

PS. Foam panel close contacts were popular because they were, and still are, cheaper to make (less skill required to cover a moulded piece of foam than flock a panel). Maybe they had some made abroad as a try-out? They probably charged the same price, so made a lot more money. Or maybe they were trying to expand their customer base and needed a cheaper model for a new market? In any case, a foam panel of that age will probably be reaching the end of its useful life.

The price is attractive, though!

freia 04-23-2012 08:22 PM

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Thank you unclearthur! We know exactly what to look for and pick at then.

and aha!, we got a picture of the underside today:

unclearthur 04-24-2012 06:34 AM

Hey - actually that's not bad!

The panels are quite wide, though flat. And they're not squished to death, which suggests to me they may be wool felt or fibre based rather than foam. The only thing I would say is that tree looks quite narrow from the picture, though the angle and head cutback may be deceptive, making it look worse than it is.

Fingers crossed :)

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