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SlideStop 05-01-2012 05:33 PM

transition to curb
 
Hi all!

I'm currently working a TWH, Stormy, who was bought from the kill pen. The guy who rescued her is a natural horsemanship trainer. From there he broke her and sold her to my friend, let's call her Jill. She is broke and rides well in a full cheek snaffle. Walk, running walk, lope, backs and is learning to neck rein. Now we would like to transition her to a curb. My friend has MS and needs a quick response because she looses her balance suddenly and frequently. She also mainly trail rides and heavens forbid the horse takes off she would not have a snowmans chance in hell pulling her back.

I worked her yesterday in a dog bone snaffle just at the walk. I got her comfortable with bit, stopping, turning, and walking on a loose rein. I was extremely careful to not make any sudden movements with my hands or yank. If she wasn't getting it I would open up my inside hand and really guide her. By the end she seemed comfortable and more accepting then begin of the ride so I quit there and switched back to the snaffle and worked her. Next time I planned on doing the same thing then switching back to curb to finish off work. She tends to start out forward.

Am I on the right track?
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SlideStop 05-01-2012 05:46 PM

Ps, This is the bit. Sorry I can't make it fancy from my phone!

Argentine Colt Three Piece dog bone Snaffle:Amazon:Sports & Outdoors
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Shoebox 05-03-2012 04:12 PM

unless I'm mistaken, that looks like a type of Tom Thumb bit (a curb bit with a break in the middle, meant for transitioning from snaffle to curb). Tom Thumb bits are among the worst bits to use. Here is an article about them, and the problems with them:

Trouble with Tom Thumb

I would switch to a curb without the break in the middle. Then, yes, I would say you are on the right track. But stop using that particular bit, it's nasty and not very good for the horse.

Sahara 05-03-2012 04:26 PM

That is NOT a tom thumb bit. It is a 3 piece dog-bone bit. Very mild as shanked bits go and commonly used after an o-ring snaffle.

Shoebox 05-03-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sahara (Post 1484639)
That is NOT a tom thumb bit. It is a 3 piece dog-bone bit. Very mild as shanked bits go and commonly used after an o-ring snaffle.

Can't it be both? A snaffle bit is a bit where the reins attach directly to the sides of the bit. A curb is where there is a shank, and then the reins are attached. A Tom Thumb is a shank bit with a break in the middle. That is definitely what that bit looks like.

And if I am indeed wrong, thank you for the correction, I'm not trying to be a know it all. :p

franknbeans 05-03-2012 04:34 PM

This sounds WAY familiar.....you could try emailing JBIT ranch and see if they have any ideas. He is a Parelli 2* , trains TWH, and has a boarder, and friend, who has MS and trail rides when she can. He may have some suggestions.

SlideStop 05-03-2012 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoebox (Post 1484625)
unless I'm mistaken, that looks like a type of Tom Thumb bit (a curb bit with a break in the middle, meant for transitioning from snaffle to curb). Tom Thumb bits are among the worst bits to use. Here is an article about them, and the problems with them:

Trouble with Tom Thumb

I would switch to a curb without the break in the middle. Then, yes, I would say you are on the right track. But stop using that particular bit, it's nasty and not very good for the horse.


It's an Argentine snaffle.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/B0PMahsEJbo

I ride my horse in this and I have for a long time. It is hard to find something she is comfortable in and she loves this. It has a break in the middle so the bit does not "nut cracker" in the horses mouth. The shank is tiny. All over I like this bit. My boss also uses this bit for her barrel horse, hence how I found it.

Also, I've head this about as many times as I have heard how god awful the bit it... A bit is only as good as the hand it's in. I had a friend who rode her horse in one and it worked out great FOR THEM. Then I've seen people riding in a snaffle with their horse 50 times more uncomfortable. While it may not be ideal, I don't think its the end of the world.

SlideStop 05-03-2012 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by franknbeans (Post 1484652)
This sounds WAY familiar.....you could try emailing JBIT ranch and see if they have any ideas. He is a Parelli 2* , trains TWH, and has a boarder, and friend, who has MS and trail rides when she can. He may have some suggestions.

It's not so much the MS part I have issues with. I actually teach therapeutic horseback riding. It's just the horse and the transition. I've changed around curb bits before and obviously well versed in riding with one but I have never transitioned a horse. I could figure it out but its always nice to hear other peoples methods and mistakes. I'm always looking for more info, I think it makes you more well rounded! :wink:The reason I had even mentioned the MS thing was because at lot of people think "well why would you want to change it if she already is going well in the snaffle?"

SlideStop 05-03-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoebox (Post 1484647)
Can't it be both? A snaffle bit is a bit where the reins attach directly to the sides of the bit. A curb is where there is a shank, and then the reins are attached. A Tom Thumb is a shank bit with a break in the middle. That is definitely what that bit looks like.

And if I am indeed wrong, thank you for the correction, I'm not trying to be a know it all. :p

When they refer to it as a "snaffle" they are talking about the mouth piece. The bits names are extremely misleading! Tom thumb as a single joint, the dog bone would be like a french link...


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