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SorrelHorse 05-03-2012 08:44 PM

Question about Clinton Anderson's methods
Okay so as you guys know I really like the CA methods.

Selena is extremely disrespectful (She came to me this way, she was an orphan foal and was EXTREMELY spoiled.) So I started her on the groundwork.

She will yield her hindquarters and forequarters, sidepass, and do lunging for respect.

HOWEVER, during lunging for respect, she will often try and rear up, kick out, stop, pin her ears, run backwards, etc. Whenever she kicks/strikes out and I get after her HARD, chase her hindquarters around,back her up, then make her move. Whe she tries to stop and run backwards I keep increasing the pressure until she moves. She improves thoroughout the session. She also does most of this with her ears pinned. (NO, she is NOT in any pain, she is just being pissy)

BUT, we go through this every single time I pull her out to lunge. Honestly I dread doing it because she's such a bitch about it. Do you guys think I'm doing things right? She yields and changes direction fine, it's just those things that she does that makes what would possibly be a good performance into a bad one.

FYI - She has been on these methods lightly for a couple months. About ten minutes before a ride, anywhere from once to seven times a week....

lilruffian 05-03-2012 08:57 PM

Hard to really say without seeing it. Sounds like a temper tantrum. I worked with my bf's mom's one horse today and he would do the same thing when asked to lope.
Do you have a round pen? I would suggest putting her in that and lunging her, even without a halter. Go back to the old NH "Join-up" techniques (read up on it if you're not sure exactly how it's done first)
Might help you out.

SorrelHorse 05-03-2012 09:13 PM

Okay, thanks. She is definitely one to throw tantrums....

I have done join-up with my older gelding and my three year old but not with her. I will try that.

DancingArabian 05-03-2012 10:27 PM

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If you're going after submission, then 10 minutes probably isn't really enough. Develop a routine that you will do every day - regardless if you ride or not - and hold her to task for every little error. If she backs up, she should be doing it straight, without stomping or head tossing. If she's lunging for respect, her attention should be on you with her haunches slightly out. Hold her accountable for every little error. On days that you're pressed for time, stick with 2-3 things that you hold her to task on - make these things the easiest things that she gets right - and end on a good note.

It's going to take a while before it's perfect or even near to. She's going to question your dominance every time. Eventually, even when she does get it down, she'll still occasionally question you.

CarmenL 05-03-2012 10:37 PM

Definely the round pen for your mare. And, really get after her with that pissy attitude and make her move her feet. Reward the try's and the good stuff though! Be black and white with her. She will appreciate that sort of leadership. I think mares especially do no like the nagging mothers that are sort of at them constantly but don't sort of mean what they say! Not saying you are like that but I would really lay down the law to this mare or she will only get worse!

I had a pony gelding I had lent out over summer and he had gotten away with all sorts of nonsense. Took a couple of lessons in the round pen and he was a nice boy again.

Ian McDonald 05-03-2012 11:55 PM

If you're training your horse in Clinton's style then his book "Lessons Well Learned" is a good resource. In it he goes into a lot of the pitfalls he overcame in his own learning process. From memory though, I would venture to guess that he'd say to be consistent (ideally every day), only quit your horse when she's using the thinking side of her brain, and if she gives you a nasty attitude then work her harder until what you were asking for originally seems more reasonable.

SorrelHorse 05-03-2012 11:57 PM

Okay, thanks guys. She is not a horse that you can just hop on and go which is why I originally started this groundwork (Plus her disrespectful attitude was really irritating) as sort of a double-whammy, to get her energy level down and get some respect.

Next time I have a chance I will round pen her.

tinyliny 05-04-2012 12:18 AM

I would agree that you should try the round pen. I would disagree with doing all this every day. you can sour a horse, especially one that hates it to begin with.
I'd only do it from time to time. If she can be ridden, get on and ride.

SorrelHorse 05-04-2012 12:27 AM

The problem being Tiny is that she is SO hot that I really don't want to just get on and go....I mean, I probably COULD, but since her past includes a lot of random explosions, bucking, rearing, etc....

Now, I know this is an energy thing....Right now the only place she can be is in the pastur with my older gelding who does NOT play with her. Therefore she never releases the excess energy, she won't play by herself.

When she was pastured with Ruger they played al the time and she was a lot easier to handle because she lost energy.

So I think that she wants to "play" more but I don't want her "playing" while I'm on her back!

tinyliny 05-04-2012 12:34 AM

Gotcha. I wouldn't want that either. It seems like round penning would be better for releasing energy, if that's what is the real issue. Does this mare, perhaps, get more grain than is good for her? (my lease horse Mac is a maniac on just a few days of grain feeding)

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