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charroit 07-27-2008 12:57 AM

Charro--Love it? Hate it? Don't know about it? State your op
 
Just wondering you guy's intake on the charro disipline

Filly213 07-27-2008 01:07 AM

lol sorry if i sound silly, but what's charro?? :oops:

Rescue mom 07-27-2008 02:33 AM

Charreria is the name of the traditional rodeo in Mexico. I think this is what Charroit is referring to. Similar to the rodeo in the states, there are various events involving horses, bovine and riders.

There are many variations, however, In stead of barrel racing, the women particate in a Drill type competition. They wear traditional dress and it is very impressive to watch their riding skills.

Instead of calf roping and team penning, vaqueros (cowboys) give demonstrations of their rope handling skills, followed by an event where galloping horses are roped around their front legs, causing them to fall down. In the U.S. this is know as horse tripping and is very controversial.

There are also reining competitions involved and other types of western events.

charroit 07-27-2008 11:02 AM

I'm talking more along the lines of showcasing the dancing/trick horses.

Lol

There are diffrent types of charro, I like to train bailadores. (The dancing horses you see in parades, Mexican partys, or in compitition.)
My hermosa dances, lays down, bows, does the spanish walk, and the piaffe. Which is a typical training in the charro industry. (Unless you use your horse for trail really) I just find the whole disipline really fun and exciting.

Here's a little info from wiki on the rodeo's:
In Mexico, charro is a term referring to a traditional horseman or cowboy of Mexico, originating in the State of Jalisco. In the rest of Mexico, including the part that was annexed by the United States in 1848, the equivalent term was "vaquero". In Spain, a charro is a native of the province of Salamanca, especially in the area of Alba de Tormes, Vitigudino, Ciudad Rodrigo and Ledesma[1]. It is likely that the Mexican charro tradition derived from Spanish horsemen who came from Salamanca and settled in Jalisco.

The traditional Mexican charro is known for colorful clothing and participating in charreadas, a type of rodeo. The charreada, or corrida, is the national sport in Mexico. and is regulated by the Federación Mexicana de Charrería. There are more charros in the state of Jalisco than any other state in Mexico. Jalisco has also won more national championships than any other state.

XD Not to mention I love the Banda and Ranchero music XD Lol.

My2Geldings 07-27-2008 12:57 PM

I tried to look up what it was. Couldn't find anything significant. Would love to see some links to give my opinion on it.

charroit 07-27-2008 01:13 PM

Here's my mare when we started out--She shows bothe her dances, the piaffe and the in air lead change which looks like a rear.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EeuqMdo_FR8

Dancing horse in compitition

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mJw0YbvXcAY

Filly213 07-27-2008 07:13 PM

it sounds really interesting, i'd never heard of it before. so what breed of horses do you use?

JustDressageIt 07-27-2008 07:27 PM

The way they "train" the horses to "dance" is cruel. The horses have no idea what they're doing, they're just expected to move their feet, and that's all they're "trained" to do. There is no finesse of collection, no rhyme or rhythm to it, it's just ... I don't even know how to put words to it.
To train this movement, the "cowboys" cross-tie the horses in a small space, then wet their backs and haunches down, and whip them to make them "dance." There is no training up to this point, it's just grab and go.
That second video you posted, charriot, I have no idea what those "riders" were trying to make their horses do. The spin at the beginning had absolutely no pivot to it, the horse was just turning around fast. A true spin is when the horse rocks back onto its haunches and moves its forehand around the haunches. That horse was just terrified and running in a circle.
Then that "piaffe" type looking thing.. that was a confused horse that was just moving its feet to keep from being hit. A true piaffe is nothing like that.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BmV987TzK2I&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wcnfXBMZy-M&feature=related
These horses are frightened, and have no idea what they're doing.. they just know if they "dance" and keep their feet moving, they won't get whipped.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SlS85Peki3o&feature=related
This horse is a little better, but the Piaffe is supposed to be forward motion and impulsion.. not this stuff. Note the stiff hind end. Pretty sure he's getting whipped too.

This is a nice piaffe, note the forward impulsion and correct use of the hindquarter.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TAiIoswv57U&feature=related
(1:25)


This stuff makes my blood boil.

jeddah31 07-27-2008 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
The way they "train" the horses to "dance" is cruel. The horses have no idea what they're doing, they're just expected to move their feet, and that's all they're "trained" to do. There is no finesse of collection, no rhyme or rhythm to it, it's just ... I don't even know how to put words to it.
To train this movement, the "cowboys" cross-tie the horses in a small space, then wet their backs and haunches down, and whip them to make them "dance." There is no training up to this point, it's just grab and go.
That second video you posted, charriot, I have no idea what those "riders" were trying to make their horses do. The spin at the beginning had absolutely no pivot to it, the horse was just turning around fast. A true spin is when the horse rocks back onto its haunches and moves its forehand around the haunches. That horse was just terrified and running in a circle.
Then that "piaffe" type looking thing.. that was a confused horse that was just moving its feet to keep from being hit. A true piaffe is nothing like that.


This stuff makes my blood boil.

^^what she said :)
there's a few youtube movies with "dancing" mexian horses and such, dances at gatherings and weddings and parades, on the brick ground, head being yanked side to side with wire/ropes, and whipped until they move their feet around.
disgusting

I don't know who would want to rope a horses two front feet to mke them fall over..
"Hey guys wanna go break some horses legs today?!" isn't really the pick up line I like to hear.

JustDressageIt 07-27-2008 08:22 PM

Charroit, I really don't mean to be.. well, mean, but I do have some points on the first video you posted, the one about your mare.
That piaffe isn't stemming from collection and impulsion, but is rather flat and just looks like the horse is moving its feet.
The flying lead change.. correct me, but from what to what? All I saw was a horse hopping up in the air avoiding the bit... also, a flying lead change is always performed in the air, switching canter leads - I saw a horse on the right lead for a few strides, getting light in the front end from avioding the bit, but there was no lead change.
I really don't want to start anything, but thought I should mention these points. You yourself have a nice seat and seem like a half-decent rider from what short video it is, but I honestly didn't see anything really stunning in those videos.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about anything.


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