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Erin_And_Jasper 07-28-2008 01:21 PM

its this abuse? HELP!!!
my friend started trail riding her drafty at 1 and a half. i dont agree with this and i told her but... she said she didnt want to deal with a big horse that bucks. she is 2 now and is an awesome trail horse. my 10 year old sister rides her. (she has a 4 year old QH mare who is jumping 2.5 to 3 ft. she just turned 4, and was doing 2.5 with her when she was 3.its aweful. her poor mare sucks at jumping and she just pushes her.)
its aweful. her mom said she didnt care if the horses back got hurt. she didnt want to deal with a rearing drafty. the poor horse doesnt even know how to lunge. its aweful. the drafty refuses to do any thing because she know she is too young. she does road riding and everything with the poor drafty. her brother who weighs 275 lbs rides the baby. and they are friends with a lady who owns a rescue. she is my best friend but i just dont know why she is so stupid. i wish i could stop this. i have tryed telling her but she wont listen. the draftys former owner was worried about her and my friend mom said that she didnt want to break a big horse, so start while they are young. it sucks. she is an ok rider but tries harsh bits on the draft. she hasnt tried a simple snaffle. she is in a rubber pelham right now. the horse doesnt pick up her feet or any thing. she also refused to put a fly mask on her horses when trailering in a trailer that has an open back top. her qh is a great little horse. but i think the girl is inexperenced. her mom was a breeder and trained horses, but she is so...... thick skulled about it, i guess. they have a 39" mini who whe girl rides when he is bad. she weighs about 220 lbs. i dont know what to do. her horses feet are terrible. i am a hoof person and they are aweful. i dont know what to do.

Solon 07-28-2008 02:15 PM

Stupidity isn't necessarily the same as abuse. As long as the horse has shelter, food and water and isn't being beaten, no one is going to say anything to them for being dumb enough to ride a horse so young.

BluMagic 07-28-2008 02:50 PM

Out of curiousity, aren't you supposed to start Drafts later in their life because they are bigger? Or am I just rambling? lol

Erin_And_Jasper 07-28-2008 02:56 PM

half the time they dont have shelter. they have the woods but its really nothing.

TxHorseMom 07-29-2008 04:50 AM

Trees are considered shelter in Tx (but I don't know about all states) As for the feet. It "could" be considered cruelty, but if that is "all" then the authorities won't do anything about it.

The draft isn't refusing because it "knows" it is too young. It is refusing because it doesn't know what is wanted from it. Being so young, they have "younger minds" and don't always understand what you (or the so called trainer) is asking it to do.

As stated before, ignorance is not necessairly cruelty, but I do feel bad for those poor horses. What will happen is that they will ruin the horse and then go on to the next one.

BTW most drafts (or at least the many that I have trained) are usually too lazy to buck. They will refuse way before they would buck. IMO if you're too afraid to fall off a horse, you have no business "training" it. (I am not afraid because I do it right by waiting until they are old enough, and lots and lots of ground work. THAT'S the way you don't get bucked off.)

I am afraid that they probably won't listen to you, and there won't be anything you can do about it. Very frustrating, I know.

Arrow 07-29-2008 06:56 AM

Agree with the others--it's unwise, but not abusive. I'm afraid that you'll have to ignore it or change your schedule so that you don't run into them--people don't respond well when you try to give unasked for advice even when it's good advice. Since I've started reading horse forums, I've seen this exact thing--trailriding 1 and 1/2 year old drafts--come up again and again. Big must equal up to the task. Sigh....

Erin_And_Jasper 07-29-2008 09:39 AM

*puts head in hands* i dont want to lose her because she helps me whith my horses when im gone. aaaarrrrgggg. im so upset.

Solon 07-29-2008 09:05 PM

Not sure if they are the right kind of people to be helping out with anyone's horses!

Arrow 07-29-2008 09:22 PM


Cat 07-29-2008 09:28 PM

It sounds like ignorance. And just because its going good at 2 doesn't mean it won't get something up its butt at age 3. The young ones I have worked with tend to get an independent streak around 3 -4 years of age as they start maturing and test the waters a bit.

Have you tried educating them to the problems that could arrise? Dr. Deb Bennet has a wonderful article on horse maturity that you might want to share with them. If you want I can find you the linke.

The larger the horse, the longer it takes to mature and the poor horse is going to pay later in life. But everyone else is right - as long as its being fed, has shelter (and most places do count trees as shelter), etc, then nothing will be done about it.

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